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		<title>By: fu2</title>
		<link>http://www.joblog.co.za/2007/01/be-very-afraid-of-the-tokoloshi/comment-page-1#comment-107805</link>
		<dc:creator>fu2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wipe the shit out of your eyes.
If your black brothers are so good then why is the country fucked.
The rand has never been so weak.
There wasn&#039;t so much crime when the whites ran the country.
Its about time all you blacks realized that south africa is made up of blacks and whites we don&#039;t come from overseas. We are just as much Africans as you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wipe the shit out of your eyes.<br />
If your black brothers are so good then why is the country fucked.<br />
The rand has never been so weak.<br />
There wasn&#8217;t so much crime when the whites ran the country.<br />
Its about time all you blacks realized that south africa is made up of blacks and whites we don&#8217;t come from overseas. We are just as much Africans as you are.</p>
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		<title>By: icarus</title>
		<link>http://www.joblog.co.za/2007/01/be-very-afraid-of-the-tokoloshi/comment-page-1#comment-107797</link>
		<dc:creator>icarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tokoloshi youve lost your head somewere along the way...i myself was born after the appartheid era and yet all i hear is appartheid this and appartheid that, and what gets me thinking is that all this bullshit of appartheid comes from the mouths of the black people, when i dismiss an employee i automatically get placed in a group of racism, discrimination and naturally appartheid.must we whites be punished for the mistakes of generations before us and if yes, why? why must i be punished for that when the very person who raised me, who changed my diapers and kooked me dinner was a black man who so coincidently changed his last name to that of my father, in saying that i believe that there are those people out there regardless of their skin colour who can co-exist with no hassels nor any racial issues and who work hard for what they have...but then there are rapists, murderers, thiefs and monsters out there who will willingly abort their own baby growing inside of them on any rubbish dump they can find and turn a blind eye, the reason most black people cant find a decent job and if they do, they get fired is because of the way they think, just like you buddy...so in conclusion id like to say that you should be mad and angry at your own people, the people who is as narrow minded as you for the poverty and low standards to which they place themselves in..if you want a country like zim, why dont you just immigrate, and if you do i garauntee you, old robert wont give a fuck more about you than he does his own people...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tokoloshi youve lost your head somewere along the way&#8230;i myself was born after the appartheid era and yet all i hear is appartheid this and appartheid that, and what gets me thinking is that all this bullshit of appartheid comes from the mouths of the black people, when i dismiss an employee i automatically get placed in a group of racism, discrimination and naturally appartheid.must we whites be punished for the mistakes of generations before us and if yes, why? why must i be punished for that when the very person who raised me, who changed my diapers and kooked me dinner was a black man who so coincidently changed his last name to that of my father, in saying that i believe that there are those people out there regardless of their skin colour who can co-exist with no hassels nor any racial issues and who work hard for what they have&#8230;but then there are rapists, murderers, thiefs and monsters out there who will willingly abort their own baby growing inside of them on any rubbish dump they can find and turn a blind eye, the reason most black people cant find a decent job and if they do, they get fired is because of the way they think, just like you buddy&#8230;so in conclusion id like to say that you should be mad and angry at your own people, the people who is as narrow minded as you for the poverty and low standards to which they place themselves in..if you want a country like zim, why dont you just immigrate, and if you do i garauntee you, old robert wont give a fuck more about you than he does his own people&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SA Rocks</title>
		<link>http://www.joblog.co.za/2007/01/be-very-afraid-of-the-tokoloshi/comment-page-1#comment-107704</link>
		<dc:creator>SA Rocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at the atrocious crimes against the jews I can see the similarities between apartheid injustice and the holocaust - however some nations buckle down and work their ass off to ensure they are better than their tormentors - and their children now benefit from it - funny that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the atrocious crimes against the jews I can see the similarities between apartheid injustice and the holocaust &#8211; however some nations buckle down and work their ass off to ensure they are better than their tormentors &#8211; and their children now benefit from it &#8211; funny that.</p>
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		<title>By: volkswagen universal</title>
		<link>http://www.joblog.co.za/2007/01/be-very-afraid-of-the-tokoloshi/comment-page-1#comment-107678</link>
		<dc:creator>volkswagen universal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>volkswagen diler avtoservis volkswagen volkswagen otzyvy vladelcev katalogi zapchastey volkswagen &lt;a href=&quot;http://volkswagen-buy.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;volkswagen universal&lt;/a&gt; mikroavtobusy volkswagen tehnicheskie harakteristiki volkswagen volkswagen passat tehnicheskaya harakteristika tyuning volkswagen passat</description>
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		<title>By: crystal</title>
		<link>http://www.joblog.co.za/2007/01/be-very-afraid-of-the-tokoloshi/comment-page-1#comment-100810</link>
		<dc:creator>crystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is all terribly sad. ;(

again, why do white people need to be punished, for something which happened so long ago - more than a decade ago. Where this generation knew so little about and barely understood what was happening.

I can understand where my black brothers and sisters are comming from. About their struggles and other life issues.

But these issues will never be resolved by looking down at the next race and shifting blame. Unfortunately Mr Tokoloshis comment was very extreme. Perhaps he was really traumatised as a kid, but then again where so many white people. If the Zim regime were to come to SA. Many many people will suffer ... including our non white communities.

Since the white population is smaller compared to our black brothers and sisters so many more will be affected. Then yet again, statistics will be brought in. The black people will unfortunately suffer yet again. This time not under white regime but under black regime. Then who will you have to blame.

Hate will not solve anything. Its like a cancer which will eat you up inside and one day you will find yourself to be an old man, and never found peace or true happiness. Lets try move on. Its up to us to let sleeping dogs lie. Easnt it funny when i have to go look for a job i too have to have interviews held by a black person. But that is ok.

Life is up to us to make a difference .. im not talking about doing crime either. Decide to be different. DECIDE NOT TO LET OUR PAST AS A NATION AFFECT YOUR LIFE AS AN IDIVIDUAL. 

ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN - WE ONLY LIVE ONCE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is all terribly sad. ;(</p>
<p>again, why do white people need to be punished, for something which happened so long ago &#8211; more than a decade ago. Where this generation knew so little about and barely understood what was happening.</p>
<p>I can understand where my black brothers and sisters are comming from. About their struggles and other life issues.</p>
<p>But these issues will never be resolved by looking down at the next race and shifting blame. Unfortunately Mr Tokoloshis comment was very extreme. Perhaps he was really traumatised as a kid, but then again where so many white people. If the Zim regime were to come to SA. Many many people will suffer &#8230; including our non white communities.</p>
<p>Since the white population is smaller compared to our black brothers and sisters so many more will be affected. Then yet again, statistics will be brought in. The black people will unfortunately suffer yet again. This time not under white regime but under black regime. Then who will you have to blame.</p>
<p>Hate will not solve anything. Its like a cancer which will eat you up inside and one day you will find yourself to be an old man, and never found peace or true happiness. Lets try move on. Its up to us to let sleeping dogs lie. Easnt it funny when i have to go look for a job i too have to have interviews held by a black person. But that is ok.</p>
<p>Life is up to us to make a difference .. im not talking about doing crime either. Decide to be different. DECIDE NOT TO LET OUR PAST AS A NATION AFFECT YOUR LIFE AS AN IDIVIDUAL. </p>
<p>ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN &#8211; WE ONLY LIVE ONCE</p>
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		<title>By: ReDHaT</title>
		<link>http://www.joblog.co.za/2007/01/be-very-afraid-of-the-tokoloshi/comment-page-1#comment-98779</link>
		<dc:creator>ReDHaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tokoloshi:

The Robin Hood (Zimbabwe) approach I find rather humorous. It&#039;s rather evident that it did not work, has not worked, and will never work.

What better way to combat apartheid by proving your intellectual capacity.  Stealing does not necessarily provide you with better opportunities, because the type of person that is associated with stealing does not generally have the savvy to create income using sustainable business methodology.

This does not include race.  If a white person has to tell me he cant make money, my answer would be the same.

Assess your skills, look at what you need to do to be regarded as a valuable asset, rather than a mediocre and improvise.  The jobs will be offered to you on this basis, finding them would be irrelevant.

I do not have to phone around looking for work because I have skills that are useful and I let word of mouth do it&#039;s job, even though there are thousands of people in SA doing the same work as myself.  Grant it that this way does take longer, but the rewards are security. My studies continue, because I know 6 months down the line my skills are going to be challenged again.

I am an un-employed white person that has adapted to the circumstances and converted them into an ideal situation whereby if someone offered me a job, I would tell them to look for someone else because I am earning a good living and aiming the bar at the next level.

BEE / AA and all... 

If a black person had to confront me and say I was privileged and gained my skills in the apartheid era (which has happened to me before by the way), I would laugh. The reason being, I am in the IT industry and whatever I learned 13 years ago has no bearing in today&#039;s workplace.  It is what I learn today that will set me apart tomorrow.

With respect, I wish to challenge the injustices that you refer to, in which you make remarks to the effect that us whites got off easy.

Fair enough, you had curfews, violent riots in which innocent civilians died as a result, the security police apparently committed horrendous crimes and the list goes on.

The black lives sacrificed in the hands of the apartheid regime is minuscule in relation to the farm murders and violent crime figures that are imminent at this stage, yet according to government this is not an issue.

Did white civilians break into your houses at night, rape your wife and kids, shoot to kill, torture you, ransack your house and steal your car? If so then I am not aware of this and would be interested in listening. Now, we deal with this on a daily basis but that isn&#039;t an issue.  I am quite sure you rested well, even in the apartheid era. 

As far as black vs white employers go, I think your comments are questionable and maybe there was an underlying reason for someone else being chosen.  I certainly do not think race was the culprit.  Nice try though.  Do you have evidence of a white person being employed over and above a highly educated black person, and was this evidence investigated? If not then I would say the unfortunate candidate did a shoddy job in handling the matter, which again leaves question over the integrity of this poor soul.

I was asked to create a presentation which would introduce a plan to roll out a R6 million plumbing contract to government.  The plumbing contract was awarded to an advertising agency.

My father was approached by a black friend of his who&#039;s occupation is a teacher in the Eastern Cape, he had just landed a civil engineering contract and was hoping my father would assist in planning the project.

No comment... Any way to get back to the point, is there opportunity for black employment /empowerment? It certainly looks like it.

Stop complaining... your boat is bigger than mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tokoloshi:</p>
<p>The Robin Hood (Zimbabwe) approach I find rather humorous. It&#8217;s rather evident that it did not work, has not worked, and will never work.</p>
<p>What better way to combat apartheid by proving your intellectual capacity.  Stealing does not necessarily provide you with better opportunities, because the type of person that is associated with stealing does not generally have the savvy to create income using sustainable business methodology.</p>
<p>This does not include race.  If a white person has to tell me he cant make money, my answer would be the same.</p>
<p>Assess your skills, look at what you need to do to be regarded as a valuable asset, rather than a mediocre and improvise.  The jobs will be offered to you on this basis, finding them would be irrelevant.</p>
<p>I do not have to phone around looking for work because I have skills that are useful and I let word of mouth do it&#8217;s job, even though there are thousands of people in SA doing the same work as myself.  Grant it that this way does take longer, but the rewards are security. My studies continue, because I know 6 months down the line my skills are going to be challenged again.</p>
<p>I am an un-employed white person that has adapted to the circumstances and converted them into an ideal situation whereby if someone offered me a job, I would tell them to look for someone else because I am earning a good living and aiming the bar at the next level.</p>
<p>BEE / AA and all&#8230; </p>
<p>If a black person had to confront me and say I was privileged and gained my skills in the apartheid era (which has happened to me before by the way), I would laugh. The reason being, I am in the IT industry and whatever I learned 13 years ago has no bearing in today&#8217;s workplace.  It is what I learn today that will set me apart tomorrow.</p>
<p>With respect, I wish to challenge the injustices that you refer to, in which you make remarks to the effect that us whites got off easy.</p>
<p>Fair enough, you had curfews, violent riots in which innocent civilians died as a result, the security police apparently committed horrendous crimes and the list goes on.</p>
<p>The black lives sacrificed in the hands of the apartheid regime is minuscule in relation to the farm murders and violent crime figures that are imminent at this stage, yet according to government this is not an issue.</p>
<p>Did white civilians break into your houses at night, rape your wife and kids, shoot to kill, torture you, ransack your house and steal your car? If so then I am not aware of this and would be interested in listening. Now, we deal with this on a daily basis but that isn&#8217;t an issue.  I am quite sure you rested well, even in the apartheid era. </p>
<p>As far as black vs white employers go, I think your comments are questionable and maybe there was an underlying reason for someone else being chosen.  I certainly do not think race was the culprit.  Nice try though.  Do you have evidence of a white person being employed over and above a highly educated black person, and was this evidence investigated? If not then I would say the unfortunate candidate did a shoddy job in handling the matter, which again leaves question over the integrity of this poor soul.</p>
<p>I was asked to create a presentation which would introduce a plan to roll out a R6 million plumbing contract to government.  The plumbing contract was awarded to an advertising agency.</p>
<p>My father was approached by a black friend of his who&#8217;s occupation is a teacher in the Eastern Cape, he had just landed a civil engineering contract and was hoping my father would assist in planning the project.</p>
<p>No comment&#8230; Any way to get back to the point, is there opportunity for black employment /empowerment? It certainly looks like it.</p>
<p>Stop complaining&#8230; your boat is bigger than mine.</p>
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		<title>By: ReDHaT</title>
		<link>http://www.joblog.co.za/2007/01/be-very-afraid-of-the-tokoloshi/comment-page-1#comment-98766</link>
		<dc:creator>ReDHaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PRIMO : Informal settlement of whites? Why that would look strange... When my garden boy gets paid, he heads off to the nearest shabeen, drinks all his money out (R1500.00) and begs me for another loan the next week.  When I get paid, I rush home to put my head in the books in order to improve my circumstances and provide for my family. I earn considerably more than him lets face it... the only difference is that I do not have drinking money.

On the other end of the scale, Zuma made it quite clear that he cannot get by on his salary and opted to accept a &#039;loan&#039; from Shaik. No comment...

So no... I do not think you will see an informal settlement of &#039;whites&#039; anytime soon.

You ask why? Because while July (The garden boy) sits drowning his sorrows... I am studying new techniques that would eventually convert into capital.

I am saving up for my retirement so I can enjoy a few drinks then :)

In the meantime, July has created his own misfortune, but I still pay him because he renders a service to me.

Now R1500.00 may not seem much.. because it isn&#039;t much, but he could increase this figure if he puts his mind to it.  This can be done by signing up with many of the Training Centres nationally in order to upgrade his skill set, or simply by going to the nearest book store and spending the money he uses on alcohol on a book rather.  With an improved skill offering comes an improved wage.

I hope this has enlightened you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PRIMO : Informal settlement of whites? Why that would look strange&#8230; When my garden boy gets paid, he heads off to the nearest shabeen, drinks all his money out (R1500.00) and begs me for another loan the next week.  When I get paid, I rush home to put my head in the books in order to improve my circumstances and provide for my family. I earn considerably more than him lets face it&#8230; the only difference is that I do not have drinking money.</p>
<p>On the other end of the scale, Zuma made it quite clear that he cannot get by on his salary and opted to accept a &#8216;loan&#8217; from Shaik. No comment&#8230;</p>
<p>So no&#8230; I do not think you will see an informal settlement of &#8216;whites&#8217; anytime soon.</p>
<p>You ask why? Because while July (The garden boy) sits drowning his sorrows&#8230; I am studying new techniques that would eventually convert into capital.</p>
<p>I am saving up for my retirement so I can enjoy a few drinks then <img src='http://www.joblog.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In the meantime, July has created his own misfortune, but I still pay him because he renders a service to me.</p>
<p>Now R1500.00 may not seem much.. because it isn&#8217;t much, but he could increase this figure if he puts his mind to it.  This can be done by signing up with many of the Training Centres nationally in order to upgrade his skill set, or simply by going to the nearest book store and spending the money he uses on alcohol on a book rather.  With an improved skill offering comes an improved wage.</p>
<p>I hope this has enlightened you.</p>
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		<title>By: dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shame to see that 13 yrs on still the same shit just a different generation with different motives but still hopping on about the same old topic Apartheid.What ever happend to Mandela&#039;s request &quot;its a time to forgive and forget&quot; in order to move forward as a nation?

When will there be a time when I can safely return home with my family under the so called &quot;rainbow nation&quot; NEW SOUTH AFRIKA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame to see that 13 yrs on still the same shit just a different generation with different motives but still hopping on about the same old topic Apartheid.What ever happend to Mandela&#8217;s request &#8220;its a time to forgive and forget&#8221; in order to move forward as a nation?</p>
<p>When will there be a time when I can safely return home with my family under the so called &#8220;rainbow nation&#8221; NEW SOUTH AFRIKA?</p>
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		<title>By: Joburgandloveit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joburgandloveit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you completely David! I am at uni now. Im 20, I cant even remember how it was in Apartheid! Two of my mates from school who studied half year courses still havent found jobs. it has been 13 years. Why just not scrap BEE and AA now. Why should us young generation suffer for the mistakes made by our forefathers, most of who are dead now? Yes the Afrikaner nation where real assholes in the past (please note the emphasis on the PAST!) Racism has taken a hell of a beating. It seems that it might now be coming from the other side now. I had nothing to do with apartheid, why should I have my future crushed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you completely David! I am at uni now. Im 20, I cant even remember how it was in Apartheid! Two of my mates from school who studied half year courses still havent found jobs. it has been 13 years. Why just not scrap BEE and AA now. Why should us young generation suffer for the mistakes made by our forefathers, most of who are dead now? Yes the Afrikaner nation where real assholes in the past (please note the emphasis on the PAST!) Racism has taken a hell of a beating. It seems that it might now be coming from the other side now. I had nothing to do with apartheid, why should I have my future crushed?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tokoloshi80, the reason it&#039;s &quot;still a white man&quot; you&#039;re &quot;trying to impress&quot; when you apply for a job is because so many of the blacks are running around like you spouting &quot;whites owe us big, give give give&quot; instead of actually just hunkering down and starting their own businesses. If you spent as much energy on starting your own business as you did on being angry at whites you&#039;d probably already be the one doing the hiring (and whites would be trying to impress you). Everyone could be wealthy if everyone worked hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tokoloshi80, the reason it&#8217;s &#8220;still a white man&#8221; you&#8217;re &#8220;trying to impress&#8221; when you apply for a job is because so many of the blacks are running around like you spouting &#8220;whites owe us big, give give give&#8221; instead of actually just hunkering down and starting their own businesses. If you spent as much energy on starting your own business as you did on being angry at whites you&#8217;d probably already be the one doing the hiring (and whites would be trying to impress you). Everyone could be wealthy if everyone worked hard.</p>
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