
Seth Rotherham is a wanker
Posted by Rich...! under Uncategorized on March 19 2007 at 11:29 PMIn our ever-so-humble opinion anyway, and here’s why (brace yourself, it’s gonna be a long one):
Newsflash: 2Oceansvibe has pulled out of the SA Blog Awards due to lack of confidence (looks like someone needs to break out his Tony Robbins’ tapes).
Translation: Seth has exercised his right not to vote for anything. However, it was the community that voted for his blog, and as this is a community competition 2Oceansvibe should remain a nominee. Who the fuck does he think he is (actually, we all know the answer to that one)? He didn’t enter, so he can’t pull out… he is however welcome to ignore it all. Here’s hoping, eh?
Anyway, lets look at this guy’s rationale bit by bit, not because we (or anyone else it seems) actually give a shit whether he wants to be involved or not, you know our feelings on that issue, but more because we think he’s a bit of a twat, and it’s fun…
He starts off by saying that the “awards are in tatters” because of the Sunday Times’ article. We should be clear here that said article was buried deep in the paper and is not available on their site (oops: my bad). A front page expose it aint. Here, read it yourself (thanks Vincent):

Firstly, not particularly accurate Carly, the judges aren’t finalists, the panelists are. The panelist votes only count for 20% collectively, and if you’re nominated for a category, you lose that vote. The biggest vote goes to a totally independent judge, and of course, all the readers. The quotes above are largely taken out of context and some are by people who (granted, not their fault) didn’t have all the facts. It’s understandable though as I believe that the article may have been written by Carly-the-blogger as opposed to by Carly the impartial journo. I do stand under correction here though.
Regardless, there’s some controversy, fine. It’s hardly a shambles though, in fact I believe that the system is far more effective than it has been in the past. Oh, and note well. I say this even though (and to a large part because) for the first time Jo’blog has not received a single finalist spot. I was on the panel btw.
Seth carries on…
| They discussed the situation with Jon Cherry, awards coordinator and creator of the ever-exciting and riveting Cherryflava blog site (that’s the first factual thing you’ve said so far mate – Rich…!), who confirmed that he:
“had contacted people who were passionate about Three words: HI LA RIOUS! Is that what you did? And why would you not contact me, Jon? Isn’t it weird that you didn’t contact 2oceansvibe about this – the most featured South African Blog site in the awards since the beginning? Personally, I would have just been happy to be contacted about COMPETING in the awards in the first place. |
Seriously, this guy just doesn’t get it. Hey ego boy, it’s not about you. No one gives a fuck if you want to compete. If they like you, and they do, they’ll nominate you, and they did. It’s that simple. Oh, and no one contacted you because no one contacted anyone. An announcement was made, bloggers blogged about it, and the word got out. It’s a blogging award, blogging was used. What do you want, a gold-leaf invitation? Sheesh bro, welcome to 5-years ago.
Next…
| I wrote to Jon Cherry a week ago, noting that although I wasn’t losing sleep over it, and from a purely marketing perspective, I felt that excluding 2oceansvibe from this year’s Best Overall category would look particularly odd and would almost certainly effect the awards’ credibility. The ever confident (smug?) Cherry told me that he did consider it but they went ahead anyway. |
I should say here that it wasn’t Cherry’s choice. There were two panelists involved in this category, I was one of them. We created a spreadsheet with criteria we felt would make the best blog. The criterion were as follows:
- Number of nominations
- Writing style
- Average post length
- Incoming technorati links
- Design
- Conversation starting ability
We went through the 260+ nominees in detail. I logged nearly 10-hours on this. When it came down to it, there were better overall blogs than 2Oceansvibe. Overall bro, dig?
No one was guaranteed a place, no, not even the winner from the last two years. Personally, I see no problem with this at all. Tom Hanks won two Oscars in a row, on the third year, he wasn’t nominated. It comes down to what you did that year. Sticking with the film analogy, the best picture award doesn’t go to the highest grossing movie, it goes to the best overall film – that’s what we wanted to get in this category.
In previous years 2Oceansvibe won simply because it was a popularity competition based on reader votes alone, the person with the most readers won. That’s just not good enough, we wanted to open things up a bit to everyone, there are new blogs out there that are better than the oldies, they’re just not always as popular. Yet.
If you’re still not convinced, ask yourself why Dan Brown’s Da Vinci Code never won (or was even a finalist for) the Booker Prize.
I like that analogy, to me, 2Oceansvibe is the Da Vinci Code of blogging, extremely popular, a read for the non-readers, but largely ignored by everyone else.
*Yawn…*
| Equally bizarre, this year’s nomination process finds the presence of a ‘comments section’ under each post as something very important for blogs to be nominated. It’s a terrible coincidence that 2oceansvibe doesn’t have and never has had comments. |
No, it’s not bizarre, and a coincidence it is because despite someone’s obvious delusions of grandeur, the comments bit had nothing at all to do with any particular site, but rather because we wanted to see which blogs got the best conversation going. That’s kinda central to blogging, and to be clear, it was just one of the many factors listed above.
| You guys went too far and would always shout “sour grapes” if anything was said. But now look, you’re in the Sunday Times being punished for rigging the judging panel. Very emboerrissing, guys. |
By now you would all have read the article and you’ll see that no one has been punished for rigging anything, an observation was made and questions were raised – and answered.
So, yeah man, we’re really mortified. Bloggers around the world have always been swayed by the traditional media (you’re really not getting this blogging thing, are you?). The same traditional media that spent years ignoring us is hardly now the definitive guide to what’s right. In fact I will guarantee you that not a single real blogger could care less what the Sunday Times have to say about it all, other than to be pleased by the fact that they noticed at all.
| And please, if 2oceansvibe wins any trophies on the awards night (if you’re HONESTLY gong to go ahead with it), you can keep them – they clearly mean more to you. |
Hands up anyone who wants to cancel the awards because of ego-fuck-wit here?
Ooh yeah, a 2Oceansvibe award. I know just where I’ll put it…!
March 19th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
This is without a doubt the funniest, most inspiring and accurate depiction of a sentiment of mine that I have read.
Rich…! you smacked Seth, i mean, the nail on the head. Seth’s “blog” is for those who like P-hiltons tits and Britneys-fed-fid-def-ditney’s bald head.
I am so glad that someone else feels this way, sheesh! Good reading, good laughs and a comment section which just tips the scales in your direction, just!
Anywhoo, thanks mate, good stuff.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:57 pm
Well written Rich. Will be cowering in the trenches right behind you when he starts getting nasty (and somehow I suspect he will…).
And thanks for justifying my refusal to read that web equivalent of People magazine…
March 20th, 2007 at 7:17 am
Has anyone noticed what a huge amount of xposure 2oceansvibe is getting after “pulling out” of the awards? you’re giving him exactly what he wants. his website is being mentioned on SA blogs everywhere. i wouldn’t underestimate seth rotheram’s preplanning of this whole thing. imagine the increase in his traffic over the last few days.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:23 am
Thanks lads.
Stephen, one thing Seth doesn’t need is traffic. I’ll happily go out on a limb and tell you that he did not pull out for exposure, he did it because, laughably, he believes that he is actually that important…!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:55 am
Rich…!, you pipped me to this one. I wanted to post on Sunday and entitle it “Seth Rotherham is a prick” (it was between that and “Seth Rotherham is a doos”), but it looks you’re one up on me.
I think you’ve covered the factual, rational part pretty well; I was going to add a few punches about him being a dick with his whole hidden identity and “let me launch a new website but don’t tell anyone it’s me because they don’t know my real name” crap, but I guess a comment box isn’t really the place for that.
Seth: The rest of us can easily sit in the sun to get a nice tan, style our hair, buy Gucci sunglasses, pretend as though we actually own beachfront property and buy drinks for delusional clueless little girls (read “angels”)to get them to hang out with us. You, however, will always be a prick.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:00 am
I have known this wanker since school and nothing’s changed. In the blogosphere, and in life, this guy has serious, but SERIOUS, delusions of grandeur.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:38 am
You know, when I first started reading blogs (a good 3 years ago), I stumbled across 2oceansvibe. Something was different about it; no comments, riddled with adverts; (to quote) delusions of grandeur et al.
I was quickly put off the blog as I could see that this site was nothing other than a money-making opportunity.
The sad thing is that it seems to be a popular trend with egotistical Capetonians. I seriously have no idea why he’s won the Best Overall Blog in the past. His writing really isn’t that great and his topics are all the same. It’s either “this celeb did this” or “I had the greatest weekend doing this”. I actually think he thinks he’s a celeb!
So yeah, unfortunately you are giving him some more exposure, and for a money-motivated site, that’s a win-win for him.
I undoubtedly expect a response on his blog as we all know he doesn’t get involved in the ‘blogosphere’ at all.
I wasn’t nominated at all and I didn’t cry about it. Just get the fuck over it.
Great? Thanks.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:45 am
Well said Rich…!
Title should read “Seth is a BIG DOOS WANKER. ”
His “blog” doesn’t even have RSS feeds ??? WTF
To me it’s basically a fu*kin ugly looking site that looks like a cheap advert for the cafe down the road.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:52 am
I think that Seth got EXACTLY the reaction he inteded from you Jo’blog boys. For a bunch of guys who think the guy is a real wanker, you really do seem to have your tits in a tangle about this one. Despite the fact that I couldn’t care less about Paris Hilton’s escapades, he writes a damn good blog and has a wicked sense of humour.
Jo’blog : ‘In previous years 2Oceansvibe won simply because it was a popularity competition based on reader votes alone, the person with the most readers won. That’s just not good enough, we wanted to open things up a bit to everyone, there are new blogs out there that are better than the oldies, they’re just not always as popular. Yet.’ Um. I don’t know what world you’re living in, but surely success CAN be measured by reader popularity.
Stop behaving like a bunch of bitter bloggers. It really does look pathetic.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:14 am
Now now Richard,
No need to get cheeky, I thought you would have learnt your lesson from the whole Gavin Sharples (is a wanker) debacle. It seems that you’re pissed off that what you consider to be an “inferior read”, receives abundantly more traffic and readers than you do. If you allow me to put on my Devil’s Advocate garb (a little tight, I’ve been working out) – isn’t the Blog awards about the people?
Aren’t they the ones who decide what makes a good blog? If it’s boring, people stay away. If it’s entertaining, people will visit every day, idolise the blogger and even try and sleep with him/her. Come on Richard, you know what I’m talking about, bloggers are the rock stars of the new millennium. I have to fight off the advances of insecure – but pretty, let me stress that, pretty – women all the time. It does get tedious, but I chose this life when I launched my life-alteringly brilliant website, and it’s something I’ve learnt to deal with over the years.
I had a point to make… yes, if a blog is interesting, people will read it ergo making the site successful. You seem to want to dictate what people should be reading, and what makes a quality blog. The fact is most people would much rather read about Seth’s drunken antics, than the delicious new ice cream treat you had last month.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:17 am
OK, I haven’t said anything in light of what’s being going on here with the controversy and awards in general.
Rich, you’re brilliant. I’ve had enough.
How hard is it for people to understand: the fudging PANELISTS are finalists, not the judges! And what people don’t relaise is that the PANELISTS voted in categories that were NOT APPLICABLE to them.
As an honourary panelist – and I was touched – I got to nominate for politics and music categories. Which, for those who read my blog, will know has nothing to do with my subject matter. The same went for all the other PANELISTS.
The judges aren’t part of the awards, except to cast a vote.
Sour Grapes Seth and all the others who seem to wear a chip on their shoulder in light of not being chosen as a panelist/are finding fault with everything the organisers are doing to make this a special event – can quite frankly fuck off.
Pulling out of the blog awards for non-applicable reasons is rather pathetic.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:19 am
Misha, then should google.co.za win best blog? I\’m sure it has more hits than all of us combined. The problem is, it\’s not a blog… same with 2oceansvibe. In my opinion.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:21 am
One realy shouldn’t delight in the misfortune of another. But God knows that arrogant little prick Rotherham deserves every bit of abuse currently heaped upon him. Rotherham’s website is hardly a blog. To be sure there are dated entries, however every post is without fail either a pathetic punt for a product or service, or some other inane bullshit that is of little relevance outside Rotherman’s limited world. What a wanker.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:30 am
Shaun, I wanted to comment on one of your posts, where is the link? Also I would like to add you to my RSS reader, where is the link for that?
March 20th, 2007 at 9:40 am
If so much effort went into the transition from the hundreds of nominees through to the 10’s of finalists, how come splattermail.org (a standard word press template with a banner on the top) got through to the final for Best Designed Blog?
I dunno – I think it all comes down to a lack of clarity on how the process was meant to work. All very well being on the inside and know what’s going on. All very well for for Peas to come and define the difference between panelists and judges now – but on the 2007 SABA site, they’re called “Panel Judges” – WTF are we meant to think?
And how much of what we read on here should we believe anyway? It’s like Tony Yengeni saying that Jacob Zuma is innocent…
March 20th, 2007 at 9:42 am
Oh man, that is just tooooo funny. So Seth wants to pull out, does he? Would that be classified as commentus interruptus?
March 20th, 2007 at 9:50 am
Hello Anthony,
That is the beauty of my site, you don’t NEED to comment. I’m tapped into your psyche, I can read your mind and know exactly what you’re feeling.
So to answer your question – “Yes, those guns ARE real. I can benchpress 1000kg, that’s how strong I am.”
March 20th, 2007 at 9:57 am
Hehe. Wanker.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:00 am
Do any of you realise how bad you look?
“Seth is a DOOS! Seth is a COCK!”
His recipe which has givenhim probably the greatest blog readership in south africa surely says something?
Stop for a second and look how pathetic you all look. You are literally blowing your heads off about this. He must be laughing his head off.
I read his new market story this morning and I can tell you it was hilarious! Seth is leagues ahead of you lot and you can’t handle it.
a very bitter bunch..
March 20th, 2007 at 10:11 am
You see Stephen, Seth likes you to think that he’s leagues ahead of everyone else, pricks generally do that.
Quantity (ie traffic) does count for everything though, doesn’t it? Look a Jacob Zuma, he has millions of supporters…
Don, you’re enjoying the wanker thing thoroughly aren’t you
March 20th, 2007 at 10:19 am
yes martin and how silly of him to also be doing it to earn actual money from all that advertising on his blog! that is precisely what gawker.com do and they’re one of the biggest blog success stories in the world. is that bad? oh, and, how stupid of gawker to also mention paris hilton from time to time. all it’s done is made them more pesky money!
you are a very strange bunch of nerds
March 20th, 2007 at 10:22 am
Jeez, what a debacle. The whole sorry mess reflects very poorly on South African bloggers as a bunch of ego-driven amateurs who can’t even organise a fair and objective set of awards for themselves.
Allowing people who are in contention for an award to have a say in the judging is simply asking for trouble – it is unprofessional and reeks of nepotism.
No wonder the Sunday Times shoved the article deep inside the paper! It’s an indication of just how seriously the mainstream media takes the South African blogging community…ie, not at all. And to judge from the above, who can really blame them?
March 20th, 2007 at 10:32 am
C’mon mom, we’re just having some fun!
March 20th, 2007 at 10:38 am
North vs South raises its head again, nice. Who’s got the biggest dick?
Seth: Your sites not a blog, get over it.
Rich..! Be nice. You are a Lexus driver now.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:49 am
there seems to be a lot of argument about what a blog is. I found these descriptions on the web. has anyone seen these B4?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/weblog
why do people always say 2oceanvibe is not a blog?
March 20th, 2007 at 10:57 am
NOT AGAIN! It’s like de-ja-vu.
Seth’s blog is awesome. Yes it’s sensational. That’s the point. He writes about what he loves, and does it in a funny way that is captivating.
Jo’blog, seriously, get over it. Lame.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:59 am
Okie dokie, response time:
Misha:
I agree, he does write a bolg that has a lot of appeal, and has a great reader base. That was never the issue. Of course success can be measured by readers, I never disputed that fact, Seth is deservedly very successful, that alone though is not enough to be nominated for best overall blog. I could go into it again if you like, but best bet would be to re-read the post, this time try and be ever-so-slightly objective.
Shaun:
Of the lot, your comment surprised me the most bro. I’m genuinely upset that you didn’t get my point. Lets face it, as both Seth and I know controversy is fun, so yeah, I was being cheeky. I just don’t see that you think I’m pissed off regarding the traffic. It really has nothing to with that at all. What I’m pissed off with is the attitude. I really though that was apparent.
There are many more popular blogs than us. I didn’t mention them did I? I do however agree with you on the next point. Popularity is important, and good blogs will be found. However, and I’m a cracked record here. That’s not the oly factor that is considered (see Da Vinci Code above). To finish off, I have no doubt that many people prefer 2ov content to ours, but hey, it’s a big internet, and you know, we do okay.
Peas:
Thanks sister. To clear things up though, the draw of panelists was random (from a hat). I got best food and best overall, we were a nominee in the latter, and yeah, I wanted to be a finalist, but hey, we just weren’t strong enough. In the next stage the panelists won’t be able to vote on categories that they are a finalist for.
And yeah, I agree, he’s pathetic!
6k:
Sheesh, wish I knew what to say to that, because in truth, I whole heartedly agree. I need to clarify, my co-panelist and I came up with the best overall criterion separately. I’m unable to comment on the selection efforts of the other panelists. Sorry.
Again, your second paragraph was totally correct. A little communication would have helped a lot, we should have told people, and agreed on, the criteria upfront. All I can say is that this is a work in progress, we’re all trying to make things better. It’ll take time to get it perfect, but we’re learning.
Stephen:
Actually, we’re both laughing our heads off right now. See this conversation? This is why we do this in the first place.
Just top clarify, the word you used was bitter, the word you should have used was frustrated. Believe it or not, we are actually trying our best to do this right. His sensational attack on Cherry, a guy wh stays up at night trying to do the right thing around this was uncalled for, and I believe totally without merit.
Just to confirm, I’ve been called many things bro, but never, a nerd. Like Seth, I’m (as is Martin) a capitalist, doesn’t mean we need to agree with his methods though.
Sue:
Yes, you’re right, it reflects poorly on blogging in general. To clarify, the public nominated to blogs, the panelists narrowed it down, the judges, public, and panelists (unless they are a finalist) all vote on the winner. The public have by far the biggest clout here. If you properly understood the system, you’d realise that the “nepotism” you mentioned just isn’t a factor.
That really is the biggest mistake we all made, and for this I do apologise. The communication around the system simply was not good enough. I do believe that the system, with room for growth, is correct though…!
March 20th, 2007 at 11:00 am
Billy: Hahahahaha!
March 20th, 2007 at 11:00 am
I love you guys!! I was reading Seth’s cry baby post yesterday thinking to myself “what a tosser!” I don’t think he’s trying to get a reaction out of you guys, you can tell by his writing that he’s genuinely angry and upset. Aw….Poor little sausage.
I was going to leave a nasty comment on his, and I quote, “site” but alas, there is no option for comments. Clearly not a blog after all.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:06 am
CapDog: *Yawn* re-read the post bro, I never said once that Seth’s blog (yes David, blog) wasn’t good. May I suggest that you both read and understand the straw man syndrome? I dig your comments, but you’re a victim of this here.
CJ: Whew, yeah, I agree, he genuinely feels he is, in fact, that important
March 20th, 2007 at 11:17 am
Ok Rich, so you’re saying it’s a good blog, but you think he’s a wanker because of the sensationalism and his attitude.
I’M saying that it’s a good blog BECAUSE of his attitude. That’s what makes it great. Yes, it’s a bad attitude. Spoilt brat, rich boy, playboy, blah blah, the point is that it’s funny.
I’ve never met the guy and I would probably not be friends with him “in real life”, but it’s a damn good read. Because of the way he writes and his attitude that you hate so much.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:22 am
You cares what jo’blog thinks about Seth! Who cares if you don’t like 2oceansvibe? Awards are for the self absorbed, clearly you lot all are.
Seth is legendary…..please try and deal with it.
Oh and if you don’t like Paris Hilton, can I assume you take it up the ass?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:23 am
Capdog: Spot on, and yeah, I agree. There are many of his posts that make me laugh out loud. That’s not really my point though.
I think he’s a wanker, in this instance, simply because he acted like a brat, attacking the awards that we’re working hard on, trying to make them as fair as possible (admittedly not without making mistakes), without a care in the world for facts…!
March 20th, 2007 at 11:24 am
Guido: Hahahahha. Wanker!
March 20th, 2007 at 11:45 am
The Popcorn Combo 2 with a box of smarties please.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:55 am
Coke, Coke light or Fanta with that Ms Wrangler?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:58 am
I think we all agree that Seth’s stuff is often hilarious (yes, I do follow the enigma that is the TBG), but as you mention Rich…!, that’s not the point here.
Seth clearly doesn’t read blogs, or he would’ve understood the awards process better (even though, admittedly, it’s not perfect yet – I’m a panelist BTW). Wanting the awards, but not caring enough to understand the process or deliver meaningful input? That’s what makes him a wanker.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:58 am
Coke light please. It’ll counteract the smarties making all calories null and void.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:59 am
Gentlemen, I’ve now read ALL the relevant words, understood the gist, & am voyeuristically amused- thank you! This debate exactly embodies the essence of blogging for me- the freedom to express the contexts of one’s own thoughts WITHOUT CENSURE. Descartes, famous for ‘I think therefore I am’, also was the first to note that since us humans reason USING our mental faculties, we CANNOT be anything but subjective about that process. No-one can actually be right or wrong here- it comes down to that inalienable right to believe in what one chooses. But from the outside, it sure is fun, & great value for time, to buy a ticket to this movie!
March 20th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
This debate is not going anywhere as long as people are able to shoot their mouths off. Yes, 2OV has a huge fanbase, but so do plenty of other perfectly (more deserving – salami and rich…! you m’boys) good blogs.
Seth is a wanker because he got a nappy rash and is throwing a little fit. He could’ve acted like an adult, but instead he’s made this personal by attacking Cherry and making the awards out to be a circus – does he really think other bloggers are going to just back and listen to his twisted ideas about the awards and let that be the only ‘truth’ read by the audience? Twat!
March 20th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Rich, great post but I see most of the comments here are focused around whether 2OV is any decent. To me thats not what its about, I have still not seen any suggestions about how to improve the awards for next year, and yes, the decision to appoint panelists (who have a 20% say in the outcome and in 2OV’s case had a 100% say) is a biggie but there are tonnes of other things to discuss such as the appropriateness of certain blogs in certain categories, “vote for me” button etc.
Thanks for clearing up exactly what criteria you decided to assess the Best Blog category on. I think you did it very professionally and perhaps this should have been public knowledge as to exactly what each blog in each category would be assessed on. We now know that you were a panelist for determining the outcome of nominations in Best Blog and Food and Peas has told us she was a panelist for Politics and Music. Cool bananas, what about the rest, its interesting to know just who exactly has 20% of the final vote in each category.
Hey and you know what, to all those “wankers” (Jo’blog now owns this word, hehe) out there who keep telling those interested in the debate to “get over it” why do you even bother commenting. I love the SA Blog Awards, its fun and always unearths new blogs I haven’t read before, it is a fundamental aspect of blogging that we are opinionated and even argumentative about certain things. This is an important issue to discuss because its a) inclusive b) interesting c) unique to SA d) fun e) outcome will help inprove the awards in future.
Somebody should set up a wiki whereby any SA blogger could add suggestions on how to improve the awards, if I was as talented as the Web AddiCTs I’d do it myself. I’m sure Jon would approve.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:17 pm
Rich’s two comments:
“His sensational attack on Cherry, a guy who stays up at night trying to do the right thing around this was uncalled for, and I believe totally without merit.”
and
“he acted like a brat, attacking the awards that we’re working hard on, trying to make them as fair as possible (admittedly not without making mistakes), without a care in the world for facts…!”
Those are the very good points I am taking from all of this.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
Wow, this seems to get more personal than a two girls fighting at school. And it seems most of the personal comments comes from this “blog”, directed at a guy with a funny, sharp and humorous style of writing {read Seth}.
I cannot comment much on the “what is a blog”-debate, but what I can say is that I visited this “blog” on a few occations, and never have I ever found something remotely interesting to read. This is one boring boring blog! But luckily I can hop over to 2oceans and find something funny, witty and intresting to read.
So Joblog if you would like to dish out silly remarks about the personality and being of Seth … at least lift your game in the blogging stakes, at least writing and story wise in order to “defeat” Seth!
You bunch of kiddies!
March 20th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Seems to me that you have strong opinions of Seth Rotherham, and therefore questions have to be asked of your impartiality when coming up with the criteria for best overall blog site. Your tone sounds far too personal to be objective.
Sorry Rich…!, but something smells.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Now that you’re all done getting your cocks out boys, let’s get back to work and focus on creating some juicy posts so us blog fans have something really interesting to read instead of this drivel about who’s is bigger, okay?
March 20th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Seth is most definitely a wanker. He knows it. We know it. We love it!
I support 2Oceansvibe in all it’s egotistical glory.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Check your dates, Dude. You’re right now it is personal, no doubt, albeit two weeks after the finalists were chosen. The only thing that smells is your nose, thats seems to spend much of it’s time up Seth’s arse.
Julia:
How can you possibly think this is about getting your cocks out?
James:
Rad, I agree, go vote for him then over at SAblogawards.com
March 20th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
what’s the point? he pulled out early… typical male.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Oh c’mon. Who are you trying to kid Rich…!?? Are you telling me your venomous opinion of Seth Rotherham has only manitfested itself in the last two weeks?
Judging from your childish reply, maybe you were born yesterday, but I wasn’t.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
“I’ve got a lovely bunch of coconuts, there they’re all standing in a row…”
Who is Seth Rotherham? Is he the guy in the Body on Tap ad?
Hee hee heeeeeee. Mwu ha ha.
Love, your evil judge panel blogger person.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
I’ve been reading the 2oceansvibe blog on and off for a while (although I don’t think I fit into the target demographic – being female and 30), but for what it’s worth here’s my take on things.
I do think Seth is legendary to his audience – the 20-something Cape Town old boy. We all know the type and the content and humour is spot on – hence his popularity.
However, lately I’ve been feeling that the content has been getting a bit stale, repetitive and try-hard. I also found it insulting that he needed to bribe his readers into nominating him – I won’t blog again until you vote for me type of thing. Smacks of insecurity to me.
I think (not knowing anything about Seth) that he is possibly getting to the point where he is not 20-something anymore, but is still clinging on to the lifestyle – not that I blame him. But, maybe it is time to reinvent himself or at least update his layout.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
….and yet you all carry on bitching about Seth…and on and on… Shame poor Joburg kids.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
God, grow up. All of you. Seth has a huge ego. So do you. Bloggers are by nature self obsessed… It goes with the territory. Ever heard of people in glass houses, JoBlog?
Let Seth do his thing. What’s it to you?
Stats are that his blog is more popular. Get over it!
March 20th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
good god you are all like a bunch of children… seth has pulled out and that is his beef. what strikes me as un-fucking-believable is that you all keep on telling me about what an egotistical twat he is, and yet you all read his blog day in and day out… if you think he is an dick, dont log onto his site…save yourself the stress and emotion. and one last thing… capetonians are ego’s and yet you all make your pilgrimage once a year to cvape town, want to be like us??? not our fault we are all beautiful. and yes i am boning seth. guys / girls who cares, everyone is attracted to me anyway… cant blame them.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
OK, I’ve just wasted about 2hrs following the blog awards link-hunt comment-track information-gathering route.
I’m so loving it!
Why do I blog? Cause it’s interesting to cross pollinate with a diverse community. Some want recognition, some crave rewards, I’m just having fun.
But the truth is that this whole debate regarding the rules and format of the SA Blog Awards is a good sign.
If we are to regard the SA Blogsphere as a community, this type of formalisation of procedure indicates that the community is maturing. As with any society or civilisation, this is bound to happen as it grows. And what we are experiencing is just growing pains.
It may be painful for some who may see themselves as the pioneers, as they may no longer take centre stage, but maybe they need to spread their wings further afield and look for new frontiers to explore.
As for the rest of us – we’re here, us we were not so long ago, present while our own communities’ constitution is being drafted, so to speak – so speak up and be heard. But if you hide or don’t participate, don’t come crying afterwards.
As for the blog awards, I kinda use Car of the Year as a comparison:
Why did the Renault Clio win in 2006, not the Bugatti Veyron.
Well, they’ve only made about 140 Veyrons, ever!
While the Clio seems to have gained wider acceptance and respect.
Same seems to hold true here too.
Nuff said.
Rev
March 20th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Very entertaining! Thanks for livening up my day! I’d post my opinions but they seem to be nicely wrapped up already.
All that’s missing is a couple of the world’s smallest violins for one or two SA bloggers.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
We’re not all Joburgers here. I’m from Cape Town, and have read 2OV on many occasions(I frequent a lot of blogs though on a daily basis). To be fair, the odd post is good and humuourous at times, but in my opinion (and that’s all this is) the only reason Seth’s readership is good is because we all know Cape Town is extremely cliquey! Hence, when one person spreads the word about a particular blog, everyone else will read it so they can be cool by default. I think it’s read because Capetonians want to do what other cool Capetonians do (like the chicks in Camps Bay)
March 20th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Nice one Rich. Nailed it. The lack of a comments section has always been a particular pet peeve of mine (among countless other things)
March 20th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
I agree with CJ, everbody wants to do the chicks in Camps Bay!
(CJ, That is what you mean’t,right?)
March 20th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
spot on
March 20th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
And just like the chicks in Camps Bay, 2OV is may be hot, but not neccessarily quality!
March 20th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
You guys are pathetic and to prove it you are rolling over and over for Seth who has clearly predicted your response and who I am sure is sitting in the safe house having a joint and laughing at all of you guys getting so absorbed by this. The guy is light years ahead of you and he is basically playing you dorks for fools. Like string puppets. Too easy it seems. Seth is basically controlling you. Seth is pissing on your world right now.
Apart from anything else, for you to disparage the article in the Sunday Times as unremarkable because it was not on the front page shows extreme arrogance and total delusions of granduer. What on earth in your tiny minds ever, EVER, makes you think that a squabble over the rigged voting of your unimportant awards deserves to be anything except “buried deep” in a national newspaper? However, that said, I commend Seth for his conviction, too many people stand by as votes (on front pages and elsewhere) are cynically rigged for the benefit of cronies and to exclude true trail blazers.
Your heads are buried deep in your bums and Seth is too busy entertaining us all on the greatest blog of them all to lose any sleep over it. You little boys on the other hand should probably “go and lie down”.
Seth destroys you geeks again. Hooray.
March 20th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Indeed Sarah, but who is going to end up playing second fiddle?
Isn’t that what all this is about in the first place?
March 20th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
The blog awards are a seedy charade. Let this year be the last time they bore us. A couple of points:
You hate Seth – Seth was not selected for best blog.
You’ve all been selected – you are among the panel judges for the competition.
Simple as fucking that… STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN.
March 20th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
I am a recent blog reader ( as I have a real job unlike most of you lot ) and I can honestly say that you are all bunch of ‘kiddy fiddler-train spotters’. No body gives a fuck about your small communities, least of all your petty handbag fights. Stop screwing around and wasting money that your parents worked hard make. Go and get qualified and get a job, but most of all : FUCK OFF!
March 20th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
i’ll be back to seth’s site – he provides what i need to balance things out – you don’t – won’t be back to your site – good day -
March 20th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
anton seems to have a bit of an agression thing but he might just have a point. wasn’t the whole point of the blog awards to provide a bit of recognition for an area of life that didn’t really get noticed by anyone else. it’s done that. although they are somewhat prestigious i was at last years and it seemed like a good excuse for a party and for people who shared a common interest to hang out. you dudes at jo’blog have done a bunch for blogging in sa but don’t take it all so seriously. if ‘vibe wants to be a dick let him. don’t rise to it. if he won he’d say it wasn’t worth fuckall. just a bunch of jhb crap. if he didn’t he’d say it was rigged. it’s beneath you guys to get into this pissing contest with him.
March 20th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Come one Seth, use your proper name, not this rr1000 rubbish. Got anything to say, don’t be scared!!
March 20th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
Richard. Grow up you idiot! If 2oceans wasn’t taking readers off your crappy site you’d be supporting him. The awards are rigged and pointless. If you had any brains you’d also pull out or are you one of the judges as well? I think it’s pretty clear who the wanker is here.
March 20th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
This from Wiki:
\”A blog is a user-generated website where entries are made in journal style and displayed in a reverse chronological order.\”
CHECK
\”Blogs often provide commentary or news on a particular subject, such as food, politics, or local news; some function as more personal online diaries.\”
CHECK
\”A typical blog combines text, images, and links to other blogs, web pages, and other media related to its topic.\”
CHECK
\”The ability for readers to leave comments in an interactive format is an important part of MOST EARLY BLOGS.\”
Let me repeat: \”…an important part of MOST EARLY BLOGS.\”
____________
This from dictionary.com
web·log – A website that displays in chronological order the postings by one or more individuals and usually has links to comments on specific postings.
____________
And you say that 2Oceansvibe is not a blog?
Really?
____________
If I were in Seth\’s position, i would have done exactly as he has.
In a vote for SOUTH AFRICA\’S BEST BLOG, how can ANYONE\’s vote have a heavier weghting than another\’s? Seriously! And these panelists aren\’t even voted in, but are INVITED BY CHERRYFLAVA??????
you have got be fucking kidding me.
__________
March 20th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
After reading Seth’s post on his site, the gist (that I got from it anyway) was that he was pissed off because he wasn’t asked to be a panelist.
And I have to wonder why as well? (Sorry Jon)
(And James, I know that’s you, better make sure you bring biltong for lunch again.)
March 20th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
Don’t know why all the fuss.
If the equivalent of “YOU MAGAZINE” of SA’s blogging community wants to quit the comp then let them.
March 20th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Narf: That’s exACTly what I was thinking? How the hell was he NOT asked to contribute?
(biltong? forgotten…)
March 20th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
uh oh… will someone in tech do something about my code? seems like i forgot a dash there somewhere and now we’re all speaking in italics?
March 20th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
SETH FOR PRESIDENT!
March 20th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
If you’re going to call the guy a wanker at least refer to him by his real name, Will Mellor. This Seth thing is such a sham…
March 20th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
Rich: you and your bum chum mates(like Stuart)were obviously the ones who were not allowed to sit in the matric common room at school now were you?
while all the std 6’s laughed at you.
it must have been shit im sure, but at least you can take it out on guys like Seth (who prob was the one who wouldnt let you in in the first place) all the way from behind your computer screen.
i cant say im surprised though, you do come across as your typical run-of-the-mill nerd, who never has been(and i can safely say, never will) feel wat it feels like, to be a somebody, or cool for that matter
March 20th, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Nah Spanner … Rich is a cool guy, and I suspect he was so in school as well. No need to be nasty.
I just think objectivity has been lost, and people should be focussing on that.
March 20th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
I think spanner thinks himself quite cool – inflated egos are always a bit uncool in my books. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Seth.
March 20th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
I think as I sit here with an ice cold beer, a cheap cherry cigar from Spar, that I’m glad to be sitting out this war. I’m giving you all a virtual beer…you are going to need it! This is all too funny
March 20th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
6k: fuck off – Splattermail has a brilliant and technically flawless design. If you want, I’ll show you our “back-end”.
March 20th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
There is a lot of talk about the comments section or lack thereof. Ummmm, since when do you need to have a comments link to send a comment. I have sent numerous emails to 2oceansvibe and I have received a reply to every one. I have also had some of my comments used as an entry on the blog… So why is 2oceansvibe being discriminated against becuase all you little idiots could’nt be bother to click on “Contact 2oceans”?????
March 20th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
CJ bud..
the fact that popular people (more seth than myself) come across uncool to you obviously stems from the fact that in matric, you too were made to sit and eat your food with the youngsters.
its ok bud, you are cool among some people, thats why mixit was invented, so one can always pretend to be someone else.
and it feels good im sure.
March 20th, 2007 at 5:04 pm
Enter the fuckwit cadets from the 2oceansvibe appreciation society. They can’t read, they can’t write and none of them have their own blogs.
Their input wouldn’t be that bad if they had actually read any of the previous comments.
March 20th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
“In previous years 2Oceansvibe won simply because it was a popularity competition based on reader votes alone, the person with the most readers won. That’s just not good enough”…….Sounds like the losers(Rich) over here at JoeBlog have sour grapes.
Il THANK YOU for the publicity you giving the BEST BLOG in 2Oceansvibe
March 20th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
Spanner: only you would know – at least I use my real name and don’t hide behind a dumbshit name like ’spanner’ so I can pretend to be cool.
March 20th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
Awesome… when conversation degenerates to this level (thank you CJ and co), you know you’ve got a REAL debate going.
I’ll leave you boys to e-punch it out…
March 20th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
what a sad little bunch you are.
based on the number of big-ups and links on your sites the impression us real people in the real world get is that you are all buddies – with the exception of 2OV. this issue seems to back this up.
if you wanted the awards to have credibility, get independant people to judge them.
selecting people in the business suggests you are writing for each other. is that the case?
peasontoast posting here and you high-5′ing her does nothing for either of your credibility.
sad little people, the lot of you. there is a big bad world out there … try it some time.
March 20th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
CJ huh..
lekker name. now i know ‘exactly’ who im talking too.
idiot
March 20th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
Spanner: High school’s over buddy! Clearly you are still quite juvenile because once people grow up, no one really gives a fuck about who you were at school.
PS. With a name like CJ, you should’ve figured I’m a chick – you should learn how to speak to a woman properly and stop using the comments section for fruitless atacks on random people.
idiot
March 20th, 2007 at 6:10 pm
I thought a blog was where people write about shit daily and you laugh and follow the story along?
Why do you guys get upset because Seth does not want to play in your sandpit?
Why is Seth more funny that you guys and yet you try to be like him all the time, is imitation still the best form of flattery?
I prefer 2OV to any of these other sites because he just seems to be cooler than you other nerds.
I like it when the most votes wins the competition because that means that the guy with the most votes is the best… dosent it?
Does Robert Mugabe work at this site?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:19 pm
Good grief.
Dude:
Fair enough, I concede. However I’d like to thing my mud was slung with enough conviction and comment as to be justified as more than just personal disagreement. There was fact in my fury.
Aisne:
Of course Seth can do his thing, if you could read you’d see that it was him that attacked our process, we simply replied.
Cj:
rr1000:
Dude, you can’t see the wood from the trees, I’m sitting here, in my office laughing at your mindless response. You were played by a puppet bro, and not just by me. At least our readers aren’t mindless sheep. You say you commend Seth for his conviction, rad, then go commend him on his site. Ah, wait, you can’t.
jimbo:
Sheesh, you’re a bit of a muppet. I was the panellist involved in the overall blog of the year (I mentioned this above). Not one of my three blogs are in the running, by choice. You’re facts are simply incorrect. That’s fine though, you’re just another 2OV puppet-mastered, mindless drone. What exactly stinks to the high heavens (other than your reading/comprehension abilities)?
Anton:
Hmm, dude, I’ve run a very successful business for nearly 10-years now. However, unlike you I’m able to manage my time (you’ll notice that this post went up at midnight). BTW, you commented at 15:21, did you have your middle manger boss’ permission to do so?
Wanker 11:
Dude, wait, you forgot your soapbox…
3rm:
I agree with you. However, we’ve been pissing ourselves all day over this, we really don’t take it seriously, we just wanted to make a bit of noise. So, I imagine, did Seth. Well played all round I’d say.
Laxy:
I take it from your comment that you obviously didn’t read the post. I really do disagree with you. Seth and I don’t compete for readers on any level. First of all as we appeal to different people, secondly, there’s no competition, people can read both. You really aren’t very bright, are you?
Fabs:
One of the few intelligent arguments from your camp. Well done. Sadly though I’m on your side. I do believe that 2OV is a blog. I think that Seth is a great writer and I enjoy reading him on occasion.
That’s where your argument falls flat though. See all that is true, but equally true is that there are other blogs out there too. And some of them were better, just over 10 of them actually. That was enough to knock 2ov (and joblog) out of the running.
Narfran:
He wasn’t a panellist because he does not read blogs, he just writes one. This is apparent simply by the fact that he says he did not know about the awards until a day before the nominations closed. Just about every blog in SA was talking about this for months.
What’s funny is this. You’re right, he’s bitter cos he’s not a panellist, he states that. The irony is, if he were a panellist, every bit of his argument would fall flat. He too would be a panellist and nominee.
Andy:
No fuss, just fun;)
James:
See above.
Ps. we’re workin on it
Macdaddy:
Actually, my problem is with Seth, Will I have no beef with at all (but shot, I was curious about the surname).
Spanner:
Hahaha, dude, humour me with just a touch ofresearch before you make silly comments.
Neil:
Fair point. To clarify though, the category, as shown above, was about conversation value, not comments. This is an important part of blogging, and yeah Seth lost some points there. However it was def not the only area that counted against him, take design, for example…
Dave:
Couldn’t agree more.
Saffa overseas:
Good grief, pls read above. I actually corrected peas. Independent people are the judges, only 20% of the vote goes to the panel, and only then if you were not a finalist.
CJ:
LOL
Twelve:
“I thought a blog was where people write about shit daily and you laugh and follow the story along?”
Ah, okay. You thought wrong…!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Fixed.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:26 pm
Shit, that didn’t work… and here I thought I was going to impress ../Ant
March 20th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
Rich…!
you know where my loyalties lie
March 20th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
Jesus…. Have you boys got nothing better to write about.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
Can I have the honor of closing the frikkin italics please
YAY !!!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:42 pm
Technical test (please delete my nerdy comment if necessary).
March 20th, 2007 at 6:43 pm
Well what do you know…Who’s your daddy?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:43 pm
Oops, sorry didn’t see that Martin and I thinking the same thing …
How the hello could Jo’Blog even think of being nominated as Best Blog if you can’t even make the comments look pretty
March 20th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
Rich, put the shoe on the other foot … and please, think objectively here.
If Joblog had to win overall blog for the last 2 (or 3, can’t remember) years in a row, and your arch-enemy is 2OceansVibe (nothing new), and then this year the voting process changes, and now you are not even asked to be a panellist, but 2Oceans is, and in the category that you have won for several years in a row, you don’t think you’d get a little upset?
Knowing you as little as I do, I can’t quite see you taking that lying down.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
Guys, there are bigger issues in the world than your pathetic childish whimpering and moaning. Anyone would think you’re an Australian cricketer who’s lost a match. Grow up and fast, because it’s getting a tad embarassing to see you all carry on like this.
Disgusted
Mayfair
March 20th, 2007 at 7:16 pm
CJ – you sound fat
March 20th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
Fran, I really do need to disagree with you on this. If anythng Seth should be one of the celebrity judges, but he is just not part of the SA Bblogging community. As for your argument, about him being the winner the last two years, see my Tom Hanks comment above. More accurately perhaps though is that you don’t look at the mistakes you made in the past as rerasons not to change in the future (the system was wrong in the past, no one disputes that). That’s akin to the old racial debate happening daily in SA. People need to look forward.
We’re not a finalist, we excluded ourselves, oh, and we never asked for votes either.
Jimbo:
Isn’t it way past your bed time?
March 20th, 2007 at 9:03 pm
yawn
the idea that you spend an etire page disecting an article on someone else is beyord belief.
as 2o says : Work is a sideline, live the holiday. Cape Town Lifestyle.
its seems joblog lacks a life
March 20th, 2007 at 9:51 pm
gosh, after reading half of these posts it’s no wonder Seth choses not to have a comments section on his site
March 20th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
Sorry guys, was away (working and stuff for a while) comment fixed… THANKS FABS!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
I dunno, this is part of what makes blogging interesting. Instead of just standing there on your virtual soapbox and speaking out to people who seldom speak back, you’re getting replies directly on the posts themselves. You’re then able to reply to them directly, as are others, enabling everybody to have a conversation centred around whatever it is that you wrote. That’s exactly what we’ve seen here – an epic and funny debate that would never have been possible on Seth’s site.
And that’s really the conceptual difference between 2OV and ’standard’ blogs like Jo’log: The ability to have that conversation and direct interaction with readers. Because conceptually, 2OV is no different to traditional websites like thebestpageintheuniverse.com, whose form and style have been around since the start of the internet and have no Web 2.0 goodness about them.
But fine, that aside, Seth’s got the dated entries. I think we’ve agreed already that this alone grants him entry into the definition of ‘blog’. The fact that he was nominated for two categories proves that (as well as dispelling his claim that he wasn’t nominated because of his lack of comments). I’m sorry, but he’ll need to come up with a stronger argument than “Well, I one the last two” as to why he didn’t crack a Best Blog nomination this year. This may come as a surprise to Seth, but the reason he didn’t get nominated is that while he’s remained stagnant, the SA blog community has grown exponentially, from a few hundred last year to a few thousand today. Other blogs have become better than him.
Further, as Rich…! has pointed out, he and all the other bloggers were merely panelists whose combined votes counted 20% towards the total. All actual judges *are* independent, as anybody reading the Blog Awards website would know. It’s ridiculous to assert, as some here do, that Rich…! held the sole power to deny 2OV its place in the Best Blog category.
And hey, if Seth’s so upset about Jon Cherry running these “sham” awards, then he’s welcome to go out and do the hard work of starting and running his own. The rest of us acknowledge Jon’s mistakes, realise they were about poor communication and not ill-intention, and are perfectly happy to help him improve the format for next year.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Regardless of which side of the discussion you are on (or probably in the middle), i’m so impressed that South Africans are finally getting passionate about the Internet.
Most South African’s missed the boat on the search marketing phenomenon that moved across the globe at a rapid rate a few years back.
I’m delighted that they’re now getting highly involved in the web, both on the blogging side, and the launching of many 2.0 type sites (and even if most are copy’s of the international sites, it’s still encouraging to see).
To each and every one of you that posted a comment – NICE ONE.
Eric
March 20th, 2007 at 11:03 pm
As an impartial SA blog reader I found your throwing your toys out your pram a complete bore. I read a number of SA blogs regularly and find 2oceansvibe entertaining, witty and well written. Fact is I don’t give a flying f*** who wins what, who votes for who or who’s shagging who. That said I do find it quite entertaining how the ‘blog club’ all display links to each others blogs on their own sites and regularly post comments on each others sites. A little inbred ? I smell a rat here and don’t blame 2oceansvibe for not wanting to be a part of it. How about scrapping the group hugs and high 5’s and getting on with some good quality intelligent writing ?
March 21st, 2007 at 1:57 am
Jimbo, if only you knew (not being a narcissist)… you’d eat your words and the last laugh would be on me! I’m already laughing at the thought
March 21st, 2007 at 6:32 am
Why can’t the awards be totally independent. Public votes + completely independent panelists?
Why even open the hornets nest with what Cherry has come up with. Thats just plain STUPID.
Anyway, if we have to have a face off between Jo’blog and 2OV, its NO CONTEST – 2OV wins hands down all the time. Jo’BLOG is the most BORING SITE EVER. The writing is boring, the website is boring even your FONTS are boring. JOBURG is BORING. Enjoy Egoli you greasy haird, vest wearing CHOPS. Oh yes, don’t come down to Cape Town in the holidays – we’re tired of laughing at you.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:11 am
Ugh… What a bunch of washwomen you bunch are.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:15 am
Rich is wrong. Seth is right.
Rich your view is too sophisticated. The amazing thing about blogs is that anyone can start them. People with no technical savviness and no knowledge of blogs can suddenly start a blog that is much better than blogs by technical and nuanced people.
Your way of analysing who should be in the best blog category is simply too sophisticated. And not democratic at all. The fact that you were involved indicates a tremendous amount of anti 2oceans bias.
Its a complete farce that 2ocenas were left out. It is clear that there is a bloggers boys club.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:13 am
Morning everyone!
Did anyone bring coffee and bagels?
March 21st, 2007 at 11:10 am
hmmmmm….bagels
March 21st, 2007 at 11:15 am
I popped into Engen and bought some doughnuts.
March 21st, 2007 at 11:25 am
I’d kinda decided that this had gone on long enough now and was gonna ease off on the replies. However then a very rare breed of commenter came by and I decided it was worth responding to. his name is Steven, and he’s a 2OV reader, with a brain.
Steven:
I see your point, the criteria is quite sophisticated, however, for the category “best overall blog, I believe that there needs to be a number of factors taken into account.
I guess there’s no real way of proving this to you, but there was one category that Seth did not make and I argued for his inclusion. Just to recap by the way, he has not been ousted at all, he’s been included in a number of categories.
Oh and I also agree with you that people with no tech savvy can start blogs, I know this as I’m one of those people. So I’d ask you to consider this. lets say that last year a person like this decided to start a blog, good design, good writing, small but growing readership, posts that really get people talking etc. Is it not fair that this person gets a fair shot at the big prize too? The way it was before, the same blogs would be in the finals every time. Seth did well to get in early and has a large and loyal fan base, that doesn’t make him a better blog, it just means that he has a bigger stick, c’mon bro, surely you can see my point here?
Here’s my request for you as on of the few 2ov readers that seems to have bothered reading the post. If you can even vaguely see my point at all, help me come up with a system that makes more sense and is fair to new and old blogs. I admit there may well be flogs in the way we’ve done it, but shit, surely going back to the way it was cos that’s the way “things have always been done around here” is not the right course of action. You just need to look at the political climate in SA to understand that.
Oh, and would everyone please read Darren’s comment.
Eric, I can only imagine that you have not bothered to read the majority of the comments, but I do get where you’re coming from so thanks anyway.
Hahaha, gary, dude, you’re reading and replying to blogs on the eve of a public holiday; and you think we need to get a life?
And now, what with all that bagel talk, I’m off to get a bite…!
March 21st, 2007 at 12:40 pm
How pathetic…
Seth puts together a good argument and all you can do is call him a wanker?
I expected more from the joblog guys and sorry to say, this is my last visit to this blog.
Umm yes, it is a conflict of interest when the contest panel also happens to be nominees. No, it doesn’t matter that they don’t sit in on the sections they’re not nominated in. The mere fact that they get together with only certain nominees (i.e each other) on a regular basis is a foolproof way to guarantee exceptional bias towards each other’s blogs.
The internet is supposed to get around all this and my hat goes off to Seth for pulling out of, in my view, an obviously biased competition.
March 21st, 2007 at 1:01 pm
I write this as a reader of 2oceansvibe and peasontoast. Both blogs are entertaining and both deserve the credibility and awards as are both extremely popular. To say a blog should be judged like a book (booker prize) is ridiculous. Go fucking write books if you want a booker prize.
A blog is about the audience. You don’t write blogs to bore people, you write to entertain. Write a diary if you don’t want anyone to read it. If you entertain, you get more readers. If you have the most readers, you win. You deserve the awards.
Some of the past Oscar movies were SHIT and Leonardo has nothing to do with the voting there either! The Departed was much better than the Queen. Maybe it didn’t win as many Oscars but it doesn’t matter. It was a better movie and got more of an audience and made more money. That deserves acknowledgement. Problem is, Oscars are a million years old. If we had the movie awards invented in time with blogs, maybe the Departed would have beaten the Queen. Good thing Blog Awards is a modern award system. No wait, let’s follow the same technique as 100 year old literacy awards.
In FACT I have a fantastic idea. Let’s get 10 dry cleaner owners to vote on businessman of the year (selected at random) and let’s give it to Raj Bhandi who owns the shoe repair shop on Point Road (because we’re not allowed to vote for other dry clean businesses) in Durbs because he does such good work and doesn’t try make money. Fuck Richard Branson, his Virgin thing isn’t really a business because he makes money and is not defined as a business under the secret Jo’Busines Code of 2006!
Maybe 2oceansvibe deserves to win. Seth writes with subtle humour about 100’s of situations that I feel intelligence is required to catch. I am not going to say you don’t get it but there is a lot you all aren’t getting. Advertising on a blog is modern age. Because some expert said a while back that Blogs shouldn’t make money and Seth is proving that wrong, GREAT for him. His HOBBY is making him loads of cash and all ads on his site are in their own right worth seeing.
I have it on good authority that Peas has a book deal. Is that illegal too? Isn’t Peas the evil commercialist now that she is going to make some Tom as a result of your blog?
HOLY F*&K GROW UP!
March 21st, 2007 at 2:02 pm
You guys really need to get a grip.
2oceansvibe is a better read overall than jo’blog in my opinion and I always head there first. That is not to say that yours isn’t a good read, but your little obsession with trying to badmouth 2Oceansvibe and Seth every chance you get really just makes you look like you’re desperate to get the kind of attention he does.
Seth has some valid points and whilst he does like to paint himself as the blogging messiah, it is because it is damn funny and what most of his readers love about his site.
You guys on the other habd have simply resorted to name-calling…. which isn’t funny… and makes you look more than a little jealous.
March 21st, 2007 at 2:09 pm
CJ – the last laugh would be on you? Is that really what you mean?
Or do you mean you would have the last laugh?
There is an all-important difference that I think you have missed.
March 21st, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Rich
thank you for taking the time to answer the posts – it is refreshing to find a blog/site where the posters are happy to engage with the visitors
1. Saffa overseas:
Good grief, pls read above. I actually corrected peas. Independent people are the judges, only 20% of the vote goes to the panel, and only then if you were not a finalist.
dude … in these times people do not hang around for the long explanation and the intricate details. if people smell smoke, they assume its a fire and they move on. the very existence of blogs is due, in part, to this phenomenon … but you don’t get two bites at the apple – people don’t have the time.
2. “If anythng Seth should be one of the celebrity judges, but he is just not part of the SA Bblogging community.”
i think your comment sums up the problem that we visitors see with this whole issue. it comes across as one big family. which is fine … but then in order for the awards to have creditbility, surely no members of that family should be on the panel – in any way shape or form.
3. So I’d ask you to consider this. lets say that last year a person like this decided to start a blog, good design, good writing, small but growing readership, posts that really get people talking etc. Is it not fair that this person gets a fair shot at the big prize too? The way it was before, the same blogs would be in the finals every time.
the point is this … who is best placed to decide that the blog “gets people talking”?
March 21st, 2007 at 2:25 pm
Rich, this is it. This is all I have time for. All I can muster before I have to get back to the real world where people like you are still on your computer’s at midnight because no one returned your calls to go out last night.
I am not a patient man and suffering fools is not in my makeup so I will write this on my second visit to your site (ever) and then (Im afraid) never return. I am going to do you the good service of writing it at length to make it clear but please, PLEASE do not bother to reply to me because I wont see it and I would much rather you called your parents at midnight tonight. I think they know a little boy who will need to lie down. If they screen you then check out your Cabbage Patch cards again. Or play computer games with someone in China. Or write words upside down on your calculator watch. Or something.
I have two major problems:
1. Your site is inferior to Seth’s. In just about every way I can imagine. The definiton of a blog seems to be sufficiently open to qualify 2OV for the contest, if it is not then your previous 3 years of awards are a joke. Having people using words like ‘blogosphere’ to support your cause troubles me and it hinders the acceptance of your awards. Having wierdo’s in JHB turn this into a CT thing is too bizarre. I live in England. One site I vist makes me laugh the other makes me shake my head and feel sad for people I dont know. I would rather visit 2OV every time. Seth has played this well and manipulated you all from the beginning. He has been happy to give you most of the benefit from the traffic he has generated while he and his 2OV regulars have a laugh at your expense….that is why we visit 2OV, because we laugh at you guys. He doesnt need more traffic, his site was popular to start with. He has just used this to make you look stupid! Wow, that was easy. He did it faster than you guys probably solved the rubix cube. He doesnt need to be a “puppet master” to us because we understand where he comes from…its called humour. You guys are being pissed on still. Right now. Close your eyes and look up. Go on. Too warm for rain isnt it? Now, thank Seth for thinking of you.
2. This I will keep shorter. You have changed the rules to a competition in order to deliberately block an entry that seemed an inevitable winner (again) due to its global popularity. And you did so on a technicality. You can have a million reasons why we might be wrong and you are justified but it is apparrent to EVERYONE who has wriiten on this site (including your supporters) that this was an entirely personal decision because you dont like Seth. Which is fine but not a good reason to exclude him. Seth pre-empted you by taking the moral high ground. And this makes you look sleazy, slow, sour and very, very sad.
Seth keeps on winning. And when you call your mom midnight he’ll be painting up two chicks in the jacuzzi.
Thats it. Two things for you to ponder under your Superman duvet tonight.
I am as amazed as Seth that you have pulled the rug out from under your own awards just as they might have reached a critical point. What a pity. I suspect that it is that sort of vision that leads someone to be an entrepreneur for 10 years but still have time for this stuff. Good luck mate, the world is full of people like you and you are too annoying to be outside. Thats why Seth made cyberspace for you. Enjoy it, whenever it rains in there look up and think of Seth.
Goodbye Joblog, last one out turn off the lights.
March 21st, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Yes Jimbo… haha! Alcohol has that effect on my speech and thought processes. thanks for the correction.
Really hope you guys reach some kind of conclusion about all this. Much luck!
March 21st, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Cape Town has lost its soul. I really believe its time to give the twats independence. The we will get rid of Rotherham, Bishops and the Stormers in one fell swoop. I am sure we can sweeten the deal for them fucking off with some hair gell. Durban has got warm sea water anyways
March 21st, 2007 at 6:51 pm
Rich, you say that 2OV wasn’t in the top blogs category because he (to paraphrase) simply wasn’t good enough.
Would you mind letting us in on the official stats of the BEST OVERALL BLOG voting? Public votes, panelists’ votes (including their weighting, if any)etc would be nice. I’m sure this is probably what will settle this debate.
If 2OV did not make it into BEST OVERALL BLOG category simply because the public did not vote enough for him, then fair enough, he does not deserve to be there and I’m sure everyone will take a big breath and sit back.
That’s all you have to do.
Give us the official stats saying that we, the general blogging public, do not think that Seth’s site is worthy of being in the finals.
March 21st, 2007 at 7:45 pm
I posted this on Cherry’s site earlier. I hope that those of you who have only bitched so far will come to the party and either agree or add to these suggestions
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Cherry,
I have been actively involved in this debate and from all that I’ve read, you seem to be the only one in the top ranks (and thank god you are at the very top) to intimate that you have learnt from this ordeal and in future will be running the awards in a different fashion.
As a member of the general public and a writer on my own very-unknown, un-important blog, i would like to relay to you some of my thoughts and suggestions for next year’s competition from the above-mentioned point of view:
I feel incredibly insulted when I hear that certain bloggers’ votes have been given an added weight purely because they are – as it seems – deemed by you or others in the top ranks to be worthy of this position. The idea of a panel just does not seem fair at all when votes are counting.
It is for this reason that I suggest that in the future you cancel the idea of a panel of judges with weighted voting for ALL CATEGORIES EXCEPT that of BEST NEW BLOG. This panel will firstly be made up of the previous year’s nominees for BEST OVERALL BLOG (so that the public can play a role in selecting them). The voting for this will obviously also be public, but I a s member of the public would welcome weighted voting in this category, as I simply do not feel I have the time or energy to sort through ALL the new blogs.
From what i can make out, you all have huge issues concerning those blog-masters with huge readership numbers who send their muppets along to vote for them, swamping out the voters of other blogs in the process. This, as I can see, sets up a (I daresay) Zuma-situation where supporters do not care to surround themselves with all the information regarding all the nominees in the categories before casting their votes. Besides saying “live with it” (as that is unfortunately the case with a free and fair democratic election), I would suggest this:
Create a situation where each voter has to be aware of the other sites before voting. This is simple in an award like “Best Blog Post”, where the voter would simply have to click through an html copy of each post before voting, but I’m sure that if you got creative, you could find a way to make this scenario real with the other categories as well.
Yes, it will most certainly involve a lot more admin for the voter, but wouldn’t you prefer to have 100 knowledgable votes by people who have made a concerted effort as opposed to 1000 votes by people who were simply directed their by their blog-master?
I hope you find these suggestions of value. Congratulations on all the admirable (and unenviable) work you have done so far and voorspoed for the future!
March 21st, 2007 at 9:02 pm
At least Seth is a wanker.
Rich you are a noboby!
March 21st, 2007 at 9:38 pm
Anyone want some popcorn to clearly enjoy the rest of this “blog war”?
hehehe
March 22nd, 2007 at 12:31 am
geez guys let it go. you’re like a bunch of bitchy little girls who hated the popular ones at school because they were everything you wanted to be. the guys more popular than you, just get over it. we can’t all be good at what we do. Seth however is, you guys are just mediocre. up your game and come up with a better blog or just go and have a cry.but try to keep it down because no one else wants to hear it. there there
March 22nd, 2007 at 8:16 am
steve, this post isn’t a ‘we’re better than Seth’ argument, it’s about what he did when he realised that he just hasn’t cut the mustard this year.
Read the post properly, offer your thoughts, then you can have a little cry. There there.
March 22nd, 2007 at 8:40 am
Here’s something that no-one seems to have considered: is it completely inconceivable that the panelists might actually perform their functions impartially? Surely the panelists realise (and must have realised before all this shit got kicked up) that their credibilities are on the line if they aren’t able to properly justify their actions/decisions?
Stop being so fucking negative.
With the exception of 2Oceansvibe’s ommission from Best Overall and Splattermail’s inclusion in Best Design, there don’t seem to be too many other serious complaints with the nominees. How about we wait until the results come through before we start criticising the whole process?
And for fuck’s sake: enough with the high school politics. Grow up, everyone.
March 22nd, 2007 at 8:53 am
safa overseas:
1: Yeah, fair enough.
2: It may come accross that way, but it\’s really not. I actually think we sit outside the inner circle – sadly we don\’t take ourselves seriously enough.
3:That\’s the big question, I do believe that the three judge system we have this year is almost as fair as we\’re going to get (readers = fans; panelists = people in the know that will do the best job they can, but may have ppersonal pref.; outside judges = totally impartial but may not be in the know.)
Salami my brother (yeah, I like the guy, get over it) – big gay high five to you dude…!
March 22nd, 2007 at 9:05 am
…I’ve had enough of the italics.
March 22nd, 2007 at 9:17 am
Rich: I’m assuming that if you people at the top decide the fairest way to judge is to add weighting to certain people’s vote that you’ll also rename next year’s awards The 2007 Socialism-Inspired Blog Awards?
Kinda sucks when we’ve all been brought up in a democracy and expect that sort of voting process…
March 22nd, 2007 at 9:31 am
Ok Rich, I cant argue that its black and white like I did before.
I just think that 2OV should be in the best blogs categry and that the voting system already has enough controls now to remedy the problem of 2OV having too many loyal readers.
If the bloggers panel voters and the celeb voters didnt vote for him then its highly unlikely that he would win the best blog category. But I think that a huge readership like he has should at least get him included in that category.
But you right, just because blog award votes have always been by pure majority votes doesnt mean it always has to be like that.
You guys have been given too much stick I guess and by organising the blog awards you are all doing a great service to the bloggers community.
March 22nd, 2007 at 9:50 am
Last comment. Promise.
THIS IS NOT A GENERAL DEMOCRATIC ELECTION!
The Academy Awards are a closed vote, as are the Grammys, the Emmys, the Bookers, the Nobels, the Pulitzers…fuck, voting in pretty much every respected awards ceremony is closed to a qualifying panel. Frankly, I think it would be better if voting was closed to bloggers only.
The fact that they’re open to the general public at all is a tremendous concession. Think about that.
The SA Blog Awards are NOT mandated by legislation or act of parliament. This is not a human rights issue. They were established by a small group of passionate bloggers who wanted to set up a separate institution governed by their OWN rules.
If Seth Rotherham and the rest want a popularity contest, why not club together and start a competing “Most Popular SA Blog Awards”? No-one’s stopping you! In fact, Splattermail would definitely participate in that too!
March 22nd, 2007 at 9:51 am
Fabs bro, you’re right, it isn’t perfect, we are however trying to fix things. It’s really fucking easy to criticise, suggestions however, would be far more valuable. Every major award in the world has a committee of sorts that helps the process. Here’s an idea I’ve been playing with, that should even things out a bit.
No more panel. Yeah, it’s probably a flawed idea, hey, we’re new at this too. However, to keep things objective we have a weighted vote where people with blogs get a 2-point vote, and regular readers a 1-point vote. Think screen actors guild. It’s a suggestion, and I’d appreciate yours in return.
Steven:
Yeah, perhaps you’re right, it may well have been the middle step that was flawed. Without going into detail though, one of the biggest determining factors at this stage was the ammount of nominations, and despite his please Seth did only a few votes better than jo’blog, which just wasn’t good enough. People keep thinking that this is about him and us, but actually, it’s about him and the 10 finalist that did actually qualify. One thing that no one has brought up is why they feel those in the top 10 dont deserve to be there. I think they are all pretty shit hot (and I’m not a reg reader of most, and have never read some).
Thanks anyway for your comments, next year we will def open things up earlier to public opinion. You live and learn, eh?
Much respect…!
March 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 am
Ahh…you Caterpillar wearing Joberg boys with too much time on your hands. Seriously, let the Capetonians be. Go out and play boys…and get a tan whilst your at it, the fresh air will do good! As for my fellow Capetonians….beach anyone?
March 22nd, 2007 at 10:31 am
Go sit in traffic Joblog wankers.
March 22nd, 2007 at 10:36 am
Salami:
Who the voting was opened to was not my point. It was about the fact that certain people were hand-picked to be part of a panel and that they were deemed eligible enough to have a weighted vote.
It is not totally wise for you to use the Oscars as a reference for these two reasons:
1) The Oscar is an award given by a select group. The award is the “Oscar for Best Movie”, not “Best Movie in America for the year200x”. They have chose to call these awards the SOUTH AFRICAN BLOG AWARDS. This surely means that ANY South African may feel entitled to challenge the fairness of the voting and as such if you reeeaally have to get anal about it by bandying about words like “human rights” etc then yes, this COULD BE a constitutional matter.
If these were called the Cherryflava/Joblog/SuckMyBalls awards, things would be very different, but to many/all of us the problem is that the winner of these awards may for one year claim to be THE BEST IN SOUTH AFRICA, when in actual fact we might not believe that that blog may have been selected fairly.
2) On top of that, enfranchisement (look it up) was awarded to anyone who wanted to take part and NOT to those members of the “Cherryflava/joblog/SuckMyBalls Academy”.
And just to let you know – At the Oscars no-one, REGARDLESS OF THEIR STANDING IN THE FRATERNITY, has a weighted vote.
Rant all you want, but after doing some research, i have found that the only real place where a vote is weighted is at companies where someone’s vote is weighted according to their percentage stockholding of that company.
My argument still stands. This year’s awards have not been fairly organized. I believe that Cherry and the boys at the top realise that and are taking good steps to correct this in the future.
The only way I would acknoweledge any winner this year is if the awards were redone in a fair manner. Otherwise it would just be a case of waiting till next year and forgetting, ‘cos let’s be honest – if the only thing you have to complain about is the fairness of an awards process, you must lead a damn good life.
Rich:
I didn’t take your comment (”it’s really easy to criticise, suggestions would be far more valuable”) as directed towards me, but in case you did, please read about two comments above for my suggestions to Cherry.
March 22nd, 2007 at 10:38 am
March 22nd, 2007 at 11:29 am
You boys have been featured on The LC today
http://www.losercomplex.com
March 22nd, 2007 at 11:51 am
Yes, well, if you could write, or do even a basic fact check, we may consider being upset/offended suicidal.
Alas though, you can’t, so we’re not…!
March 22nd, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Seth is an arrogant, conceited, chauvinist pig.
I wish I could comment on some of the crap he spouts off. His entries are like a serious road accident – you’re just compelled to look at it – even though you know you shouldn’t, because you’ll have nightmares later.
Shame, maybe he is technically challenged and can’t figure out how to add a ‘comments’ section to his blog…err online diary.
March 22nd, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Oh and btw, has anyone noticed that he lives in the past?
His latest entry is marked as 20 January…
Too many joints maybe?
March 22nd, 2007 at 12:27 pm
That I have to read this drivel about “he said she said, my blog is better than yours and my mouse bigger…blah blah blah!†Really pisses me off.
Newsflash! NO ONE GIVES A RATS’ ASS!!
Suck it up you princesses, write funny / interesting blogs and leave the bitching and moaning to people with real problems. I don’t visit your blogs to read about your petty rivalries, grow up, chill out and behave like adults
March 22nd, 2007 at 1:04 pm
You boys are made it onto The LC – http://www.losercomplex.com
March 22nd, 2007 at 2:03 pm
That Loser Complex site has NO idea what they’re on about. They are basically link whoring. Shameful.
March 22nd, 2007 at 2:23 pm
In case you didn’t read this yesterday!
I write this as a reader of 2oceansvibe and peasontoast (AND LC of course). All the blogs are entertaining and both deserve the credibility and awards as are both extremely popular.
This is a message to the Award mafia who all know each and share in each’s nerd fetish of writing beautiful, spell-checked, unread garbage:
Firstly: To compare a blog judging to that of a book (booker prize) is ridiculous. Go fucking write books if you want a booker prize.
A blog is about the audience. You don’t write blogs to bore people (or maybe that’s the reason I haven’t read your blogs), you write to entertain. Write a diary if you don’t want anyone to read it. If you entertain, you get more readers. If you have the most readers, you win. You deserve the awards.
Some of the past Oscar movies were SHIT and Leonardo has nothing to do with the voting there either! The Departed was much better than the Queen. Maybe it didn’t win as many Oscars but it doesn’t matter. It was a better movie and got more of an audience and made more money. That deserves acknowledgement. You see the thing is, the Oscars’ voting system is a million years old. If we had the movie awards invented in time with blogs, maybe the Departed would have beaten the Queen. Good thing Blog Awards is a modern award system. No wait, let’s follow the same technique as 100 year old literacy and movie awards invented during the reign of Hitler!
In FACT I have a fantastic idea. Let’s get 10 dry cleaner owners to vote on businessman of the year (selected at random). Then let’s give the award to Raj Bhandi who owns the shoe repair shop on Point Road (because we’re not allowed to vote for other dry clean businesses) in Durbs because he does such good work and doesn’t try make money. Fuck Richard Branson, his Virgin thing isn’t really a business because he makes money and is not defined as a business under the secret Jo’Business Code of 2006!
2oceansvibe is the best blog in South Africa. Seth writes with subtle humour about 100’s of situations where intelligence is required to catch the funny side (again, maybe there’s the problem). I am not going to say Jo’Blog doesn’t get it but there is a lot they all aren’t getting. Advertising on a blog is modern age. Because some expert said a while back that Blogs shouldn’t make money and Seth is proving that wrong, GREAT for him. His HOBBY is making him loads of cash and all ads on his site are in their own right worth seeing. “It’s about the writing and freedom of thought” is such BULLSHIT!
I have it on good authority that Peas has a book deal. Is that illegal too? Isn’t Peas the evil commercialist now that she is going to make some Tom as a result of her blog?
HOLY F*&K GROW UP!
March 22nd, 2007 at 2:28 pm
i completely agree with adam. if you guys couldn’t give two shits about 2oceansvibe let it go!!! why do you even find the need to bring up what he said. ya thats to you don, and it does seem like it’s a ‘we’re better than seth’ piece. do you notice he never finds the need to bring you guys up because that’s how unimportant you are and this childish little dig is. for a guy you don’t like, you do a whole lot of talking about him. just stick to whatever it is you guys do over there and leave out the whinging and name calling. its painful to see you acting like little girls. now wipe your nose, chin up, and go write something
March 22nd, 2007 at 2:30 pm
if this was a sly and cunning plan to win an as yet unnamed category for “most commented post” it was worthy of a place on blackadder
March 22nd, 2007 at 2:43 pm
It’s really messy in here.
Really messy.
It seems that many people here have some ego issues. Very cute.
But we’re not saving lives, we’re writing and we’re meant to be having fun here.
But then again, for what it’s worth, just because:
,I>I wrote to Jon Cherry a week ago, noting that although I wasn’t losing sleep over it, and from a purely marketing perspective, I felt that excluding 2oceansvibe from this year’s Best Overall category would look particularly odd and would almost certainly effect the awards’ credibility. The ever confident (smug?) Cherry told me that he did consider it but they went ahead anyway.
Um. That really IS ABOUT EGO. You may have a good “blog” Seth, but you’ve just created a little dark hole for yourself when you really do appear to be more bitter than anyone else.
March 22nd, 2007 at 2:45 pm
And I should be fired today for being unable to italic or comment in good english.
hehehe.
March 22nd, 2007 at 3:45 pm
The world needs a site like mine.
Someone had to step up to the plate and allow the 2OV readership a voice in this cruel, crime-ridden country we call “home”.
Someone had to.
So why not me – Reth Sotherham?
Read 20V @ 2OV. Comment on 2OV @ 2OVC. Genius.
It actually couldn’t be easier unless I did it for you.
March 22nd, 2007 at 3:47 pm
Steve & a few others, do you mind not derogatorily refering to this post and the follow up antics as similar to little girls’ behaviour. What did the little girls ever do to you!
March 22nd, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Ok, so what does the 200th commenter get as an award? Any who will be the judge?
March 22nd, 2007 at 4:01 pm
We love the e-spats between top sites, especially Seth and yourselves! It’s much like those rotund girls wrestling on TV and we must admit you usually get thrown from the top rope with his popularism tactics but we all agree you have him pinned for the count on this one.
We look forward to him even trying to write a reply…it’ll only rub his nose deeper in it.
I think you’ve had the online equivalent of slashing the tires on his new Ranger Rover Sport….
March 22nd, 2007 at 4:26 pm
Hahahaha!
This reminds me of a conversation between Moolman (I think) and Bullard, the columnist…
March 22nd, 2007 at 4:29 pm
Was Moolman the oke who shot him?
March 22nd, 2007 at 4:35 pm
What an amazing bunch of people you all are… Go praise yourselves…
Funny. Really HI LA RIOUS!!!
Damn, I wish I had more time to write…but honestly, I rather go spend my time counting polka dots…
I hardly ever stumble over your sites, only when I’m really bored…
I should just say this…from all the above I’m concluding: sad bitter bunch blogger-boysclub having petty handbag fights…. – not knowing how to organise properly – …
Oh and:
Dear Mr Editor,
please come and play!
A-holes!
March 22nd, 2007 at 4:47 pm
I always find that 2OV readers tend to use 2OV-speak. See how the aptly named PussyGalore used it there?
“HI LA RIOUS”
Are you Seth in (a very poor) disguise?
March 22nd, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Pity.
March 22nd, 2007 at 6:42 pm
Some chick from Cape Town just mentioned the beach…. where you freeze your balls off.. (that is if you are a chick from Cape Town) Joburgers you are welcome in Durban, the home of laidbackness, warm sea water, great waves, the city that outs banana back in the republic, the last outpost, the Boksburg by the sea! and the home of the Sharks! (We do not have Bishops promise you!) We love you and all credit cards accepted!
March 22nd, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Reth Sotherham:
Genius bro, a while back we registered yessethbut.com for a similar site idea (only for Seth Godin), it’s yours if you want it…!
March 23rd, 2007 at 9:33 am
Your situation is kind of like South Africa complaining about George Bush and the USA. SA always knows moans about what USA is doing and how stupid George Bush is. USA on the other hand, as the leader of the world, couldn’t care less about what SA are up to nor ever bothering to complain about it. South Africans could easilly set up websites about USA and Bush being an idiot (aka Reth Sotheram) while USA continue ruling the world.
March 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 am
Rich…! Says to Aisne:
Of course Seth can do his thing, if you could read you’d see that it was him that attacked our process, we simply replied.
Aisne’s reply: Seth may have attacked your process. His concerns seemed pretty real. Your response included:
“(looks like someone needs to break out his Tony Robbins’ tapes).”; ” but more because we think he’s a bit of a twat, and it’s fun…”; “because of ego-fuck-wit here?”; “Who the fuck does he think he is (actually, we all know the answer to that one)?” etc etc
I learnt so much more about you from those statements, Rich, than I learnt about Seth.
Kind Regards,
Aisne
March 23rd, 2007 at 11:13 am
Touché Aisne.
May I suggest then that you use the same glasses when reading Seth’s posts as I think they speak volumes too…!
March 23rd, 2007 at 11:51 am
Why does my post from yesterday (10:30) not show?
March 23rd, 2007 at 12:13 pm
I did. The volume was way up on your posts compared with Seth’s. That was the point I was making, you muppet. ROTFLMAO.
March 23rd, 2007 at 12:30 pm
Wow. Muppet. I almost always ROTFLMAO when the word ‘muppet’ is mentioned. It’s so new, so fresh. Idiot.
March 23rd, 2007 at 12:30 pm
Also, can you just imagine if Seth had a comments section. It would probably crash the server with the volume of JoBlog hate mail it would receive…. I think Seth is a most dignified character. He just stays silent through this tirade.
March 23rd, 2007 at 2:42 pm
Dear Rich
Aaaah the sound of a popped ego. In your case it sounds like a shart; high pitched, shrill and only capable of a small follow through.
I think Seth can claim the moral high ground when he pulled out of the rigged Blog awards, you however sank to new depths in your response to him. It was childish and immature.
I don’t profess to be the worlds greatest expert on what a blog is or isn’t, but I do know what is entertaining. Seth is and you aren’t, its that simple. I have tried on several occasions to find amusement (because that is the only reason why you guys are around) on your site but unfortunately you are just plain boring. Your writing has little humour in it and all you seem to do is fill up space with irrelevant pictures.
I mean, who really gives a toss that you now drive a Lexus? IT IS A TOYOTA YOU STUPID CHOP.
Was buying a TOYOTA a world shattering stop the press event? The answer: No, no a thousand times no…
PS It’s much more fun reading about Seth’s social life than yours, I think it’s because he has one and you don’t.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Diggler, I love how you echo two classic Seth-Muppet attributes:
1) Assuming that every single piece of content you find on the web is “supposed to be entertaining”.
2) Reading something that you think sounds smart, then repeating it because you think it’ll make you sound smart.
Seth’s about as moral as your average Caprice floormop.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:50 pm
I chose the word ‘muppet’ specially, guys. I had my reasons.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Martin: Caprice “floormop” hahahah…!
March 23rd, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Hilarious!
March 24th, 2007 at 12:54 am
Wanker ha ha ha.
At least he has a better sense of humour than the last one outed on Joblog!
Nice to see you guys are still at it
and once again Wanker Hahahaha
March 24th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
Lawyer Mike: Yeah, he’s a far better sport. Great hearing from you btw…!
March 25th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
gays. you guys are gays.
March 25th, 2007 at 5:38 pm
dude, if you feel you simply must insult these fine gentlemen please get more creative than ‘gay’. Geez, you can choose a hundred more exciting variations of that word or scream about them taking it up the bum if that get’s your wotzit pumping but just ‘gay’? ‘Gay’? Oh ye of little aspiration.
March 25th, 2007 at 9:50 pm
To all the pillow biters who tell everyone to grow up and that Seth has won…. (something, I am not sure what)
Here is the reason for flaming Seth (drum roll): We can, so fuck off back to Parrow
March 26th, 2007 at 11:01 am
Putting aside personal feelings…it would be nice to leave the mud slinging in the playground even if it is entertaining in a rubber necking sort of way, the SA Blog Awards is a brilliant idea creating competition which generates entertaining reading for us bored Office Workers sitting in front of our PC’s on a Monday morning wishing for nothing more than a quick escape from the world of Work duties. I do hope that the creases will be ironed out and we the public can have a competition that is fair and that we can have faith in.
Remember: you can please some of the people some of the time but hardly EVER can you get the entire SA public to read your own personal blog all of the time.
After all of this I think I will definitely be keeping a closer eye on these particular awards, I may even vote next time. So snaps with the excellent publicity recreated from the War that is Seth vs. Rich
March 26th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
me thinks all bloggers are wankers. now do some work !
March 26th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Parow? why Parow?
March 27th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Seth had is birthday at Caprice. check out the pics at http://www.2oceansvibe.com
it seems he certainly does have his “angels” everywhere!
March 28th, 2007 at 8:58 am
Sheesh, I’ve just realised that the battle around here isn’t really all that bad after all…
Check out what’s happening over at Kathy Sierra’s blog.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:45 am
Martin
Sorry it has taken so long to reply to your idiotic comments of a few ago.
1) I agree that not all content on the web is supposed to be entertaining, however we are talking about blogs here. I thought blogs were supposed to be entertaining or am I completely wrong?
2) I still think that pulling out of a competition because of dubious voting structures that have been reported on by the LEADING WEEKEND NEWSPAPER IN SOUTH AFRICA is sufficiently more moral than a rigged voting panel.
Maybe you’re just an idiot and are not aware of it.
As for the Caprice floormop comments, irrelavent.
With regard to the carefully selected muppet word (quite sad that you are actually proud of selecting it) I think the less said the better…
March 28th, 2007 at 11:45 am
Martin
Sorry it has taken so long to reply to your idiotic comments of a few days ago.
1) I agree that not all content on the web is supposed to be entertaining, however we are talking about blogs here. I thought blogs were supposed to be entertaining or am I completely wrong?
2) I still think that pulling out of a competition because of dubious voting structures that have been reported on by the LEADING WEEKEND NEWSPAPER IN SOUTH AFRICA is sufficiently more moral than a rigged voting panel.
Maybe you’re just an idiot and are not aware of it.
As for the Caprice floormop comments, irrelavent.
With regard to the carefully selected muppet word (quite sad that you are actually proud of selecting it) I think the less said the better…
March 28th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Diggler,
No problem on taking so long, I understand that you probably have a real job that takes up your time, much like Seth does.
1) You’re completely wrong, yes. Do you see every woman you meet as someone who’s supposed to give you a blowjob?
2) So now you’re a Sunday Times Muppet too?
3) I may very well be an idiot. Hey, it’s nothing to be ashamed of.
It’s irrelevant, not irrelavent.
Who says I was proud of selecting the word “muppet”? When I see a tree I call it a tree, usually without any pride involved. Say no more (oh wait, you said that already).
March 28th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
i am no blogger and i dont really care at all about any of this, but i have to be honest this is the funnest thing i have ever read
you all sound like a bunch of cheer leaders crying over the hot boy that went for the nerd!!! i think all of you and this includes seth, should get over yourselves, but wait….. in fact, no! i tack that back… please dont, cos if u all got over yourselves, then would blogs exsist? isnt it all about nerds with big egos, unable to make it in the real world, so create this cyber world, were they can all go and wank to the sound of the egos going head to head….
if its not then fine – what do i know iam just a reader!
seriously though please keep u the good work, cant wait to see what happends tomorrow in the soupie of “seth is a wanker, but so i am”
March 29th, 2007 at 10:38 am
I direct you to the Code Of Conduct as written by internationally infamous blogger, Twenty Major. Number Four in particular.
http://twentymajor.net/2007/03/29/blogging-code-of-conduct/
“4 – Thou must allow comments. Blogs with comments are like women without boobs and vaginas. Still pretty to look at but how can you interact? Let’s not forget that the most common surname on the internet is ‘Anonymous’ and denying that group of people the ability to comment on your blog is little more than racism and blatant discrimination.”
March 31st, 2007 at 10:39 am
Ahhhh South Africa’s annual penis measuring competition…..with a twist.
I don’t read Seth’s blog – is it ok to call it that – Nor this one particularly often.
So a simple google fight will suffice
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=2oceansvibe&word2=joblog
Anyway i will wait for next years award to see who shelled out for surgery as it appears its just a bunch of cocks arguing over millimeters
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:43 am
Due to the presence of the word Hitler on this page (hello comments), I call upon Godwin’s Law of Nazi Analogies to play its dastardly part on this UNTERNET thing that everybody is talking about.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:02 am
Hi Guys
I’m a reader of 2OceansVibe from New Zealand. We find Seth’s site hilarious, especially the antics of his maid, Mavis. It is very easy to be nasty about someone on a blog. Very brave. BUT, look what Seth has done. In this comment-fest alone, i have learnt about more Yarpie blogs than I ever knew before, so yes, Seth and 2OceansVibe do, in their own way, start people talking. I just wish you had the sense to see his plan and be greatful that a superiour blog lets you hang onto his coat tails. Keep holding on, he’ll take you places. Yes, even into Hilt’s bedroom. eom
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:57 am
What a fucking tosser this Rotherham must be. The cock sucker just paid R340K for a license plate for a car. I hope they car-jack him into reality
February 5th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Seth keep it up son, a great site that amuses people around the world!
Sadly I sit back and read the comments above that have been made from deeply sad deprived spotty IT geeks who have no doubt been bullied most of their lives, and if this I the best way for those individuals to release their frustration, by taking it out of one of the most successful writers SA has produced, I wish them the best of luck in the future, go get em kids!
September 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Sheesh…It took me 10 secs to scroll and get to the bottom of this, after reading his blog and then googling his name. Either way…this just seems like a sad rant bout some guy thats just milking it in the blogosphere…dont hate the player, hate the game ! He’s got his act locked down !
March 3rd, 2010 at 4:18 pm
I think Will AKA Seth Rotherham is a legend in his own right, the info he puts onto his site is interesting reading, the only reason you twits are bad mouthing him is because his blog is better than yours. granted at times some of the stuff on his blog is shit, generally speaking its a fairly interesting read. well done seth keeping on trucking